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	<title>Comments on: Sonoma County plastic bag ban nears</title>
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		<title>By: scot</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1166395</link>
		<dc:creator>scot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Added expense, longer lines, less convenience, penalizing the responsible... sounds like liberals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Added expense, longer lines, less convenience, penalizing the responsible&#8230; sounds like liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1163415</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curious to know where the 10c tax goes and what agency will oversee the new slush fund.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious to know where the 10c tax goes and what agency will oversee the new slush fund.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1160397</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is simply bullsh__!  Fix the damn roads!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is simply bullsh__!  Fix the damn roads!</p>
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		<title>By: Steveguy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1158096</link>
		<dc:creator>Steveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The plastic bag ban is a public health hazard. Period

Where has that bag been ?  Brought into a grocery store where you expect clean food ? 

Where is the Health Department to put an end to this biohazard ? This is life or death to me. Seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plastic bag ban is a public health hazard. Period</p>
<p>Where has that bag been ?  Brought into a grocery store where you expect clean food ? </p>
<p>Where is the Health Department to put an end to this biohazard ? This is life or death to me. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Drummond Sr</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1157918</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Drummond Sr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plastic is a contributor to the nemesis effect; the accumulation of mankind’s pollution which increases environmental pressures on natural cycles.
There are over 7 billion humans adding to the accumulation of pollutants. The only way to reduce our pollution may be to control our population growth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plastic is a contributor to the nemesis effect; the accumulation of mankind’s pollution which increases environmental pressures on natural cycles.<br />
There are over 7 billion humans adding to the accumulation of pollutants. The only way to reduce our pollution may be to control our population growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1157859</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I think it makes sense,” said Nancy Allen, also of Santa Rosa, as she went through the checkout line at Oliver’s. “After all, we used to do without them.”

We also used to do without grocery stores, antibiotics, cleaning agents, refrigeration and the thousands of laws and taxes levied upon us by those in Washington. I&#039;m all for saving the environment, but our society is legislating itself to death. More rules are needed as population grows and things evolve, but where will this end? Will the county throw you in jail for watering your lawn in the dry season? Add a fuel surcharge if that fuel is non-renewable? All of these things may sound sensible, but as laws build up, the cost of enforcing them is driven ever higher. In a state constantly fighting off bankruptcy, let&#039;s do something to truly get things moving in the right direction again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think it makes sense,” said Nancy Allen, also of Santa Rosa, as she went through the checkout line at Oliver’s. “After all, we used to do without them.”</p>
<p>We also used to do without grocery stores, antibiotics, cleaning agents, refrigeration and the thousands of laws and taxes levied upon us by those in Washington. I&#8217;m all for saving the environment, but our society is legislating itself to death. More rules are needed as population grows and things evolve, but where will this end? Will the county throw you in jail for watering your lawn in the dry season? Add a fuel surcharge if that fuel is non-renewable? All of these things may sound sensible, but as laws build up, the cost of enforcing them is driven ever higher. In a state constantly fighting off bankruptcy, let&#8217;s do something to truly get things moving in the right direction again.</p>
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		<title>By: StarsUponThars</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1157785</link>
		<dc:creator>StarsUponThars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reality Check:

the bags for produce/meat (i&#039;ve never seen a plastic prescription bag)are the ones available in the produce/meat areas; not the same as the ones that they bag up your groceries in. so, different bags. just fyi.

like the woman in the article, we rely on our plastic bags (especially the olivers ones! which never have holes and are made from recycled plastic anyway) for cleaning litter boxes, and i have no idea what we will do once we stop being able to get them! better stock up now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality Check:</p>
<p>the bags for produce/meat (i&#8217;ve never seen a plastic prescription bag)are the ones available in the produce/meat areas; not the same as the ones that they bag up your groceries in. so, different bags. just fyi.</p>
<p>like the woman in the article, we rely on our plastic bags (especially the olivers ones! which never have holes and are made from recycled plastic anyway) for cleaning litter boxes, and i have no idea what we will do once we stop being able to get them! better stock up now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Logical Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1157778</link>
		<dc:creator>Logical Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this is an environmental issue? Now we ban the plastic bags that were produced to keep us from killing all the trees that produced paper bags because the plastic bags pollute. But only ban them at grocery stores, and don&#039;t ban the clear bags that hold meat or veggies because none of those bags, or any bags from a restaurant or non-profit EVER end up going astray? Interesting, but it seems as if there are too many exceptions, as usual. Ifwe eally want to help the environment, why don&#039;t we ban the non-degradble cellulose filters on cigarettes that are tosse out of vehicle windows or thrown on the ground by the THOUSANDS in Sonoma County daily? Oh, that&#039;s right, because of the tax money that is generated from tobacco products and their sales. Hmm, money versus the environment? Money wins again! Has anyone calculated what an average family(who hasn&#039;t spent $20 on re-usable bags, which harbor germs and bacteria, and will use power because they need to be laundered and sanitized, thus polluting even more) will spend at $.10 a bag during a years time? I&#039;m betting it&#039;s more than just a couple dollars!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is an environmental issue? Now we ban the plastic bags that were produced to keep us from killing all the trees that produced paper bags because the plastic bags pollute. But only ban them at grocery stores, and don&#8217;t ban the clear bags that hold meat or veggies because none of those bags, or any bags from a restaurant or non-profit EVER end up going astray? Interesting, but it seems as if there are too many exceptions, as usual. Ifwe eally want to help the environment, why don&#8217;t we ban the non-degradble cellulose filters on cigarettes that are tosse out of vehicle windows or thrown on the ground by the THOUSANDS in Sonoma County daily? Oh, that&#8217;s right, because of the tax money that is generated from tobacco products and their sales. Hmm, money versus the environment? Money wins again! Has anyone calculated what an average family(who hasn&#8217;t spent $20 on re-usable bags, which harbor germs and bacteria, and will use power because they need to be laundered and sanitized, thus polluting even more) will spend at $.10 a bag during a years time? I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;s more than just a couple dollars!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1157640</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so glad the government tells the people what they can and can&#039;t do. The endless regulation by the brilliant people in government helps me sleep better at night.

Don&#039;t forget that we use plastic bags because the brilliant people in government forced them on us because paper, recycled or not, was said to be killing ALL the trees. Plastic was the answer. Well, amazingly the government was wrong. So no paper, no plastic, we have to bring our own bags. Sweet. Not worth the effort to me. 

Luckily the hassle will push more people to shop online, putting the union grocery stores out of business and many more people to government dependence. Glad they extended unemployment. You see, when people are limited in how much they can carry (based on the space in their own bags) a lot of excess consumption will go away. The same logic applies to smaller dinner plates. Smaller plates = smaller meals = less consumption. If I have to bring in my own bag, I&#039;ll only carry what fits in it, thus I&#039;ll purchase less. Less purchases, less revenue for stores, less sales tax for cities, less workers are needed. I won&#039;t bother running to the CVS to pick something up, I&#039;ll order it from Amazon. Saves me the gas. Oh look, less gas tax.

The government doesn&#039;t realize that their endless regulation DOES cause people to change their way. The problem is that the government dopes are too short sighted to see the consequences of their actions. Look at the decision of changing to plastic in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad the government tells the people what they can and can&#8217;t do. The endless regulation by the brilliant people in government helps me sleep better at night.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that we use plastic bags because the brilliant people in government forced them on us because paper, recycled or not, was said to be killing ALL the trees. Plastic was the answer. Well, amazingly the government was wrong. So no paper, no plastic, we have to bring our own bags. Sweet. Not worth the effort to me. </p>
<p>Luckily the hassle will push more people to shop online, putting the union grocery stores out of business and many more people to government dependence. Glad they extended unemployment. You see, when people are limited in how much they can carry (based on the space in their own bags) a lot of excess consumption will go away. The same logic applies to smaller dinner plates. Smaller plates = smaller meals = less consumption. If I have to bring in my own bag, I&#8217;ll only carry what fits in it, thus I&#8217;ll purchase less. Less purchases, less revenue for stores, less sales tax for cities, less workers are needed. I won&#8217;t bother running to the CVS to pick something up, I&#8217;ll order it from Amazon. Saves me the gas. Oh look, less gas tax.</p>
<p>The government doesn&#8217;t realize that their endless regulation DOES cause people to change their way. The problem is that the government dopes are too short sighted to see the consequences of their actions. Look at the decision of changing to plastic in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: R.B. Fish</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1156368</link>
		<dc:creator>R.B. Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The stores are all for this because it increases their bottom line. They make more money because instead of building the cost into the product price consumers have to pay extra but the price remains the same. In small supermarket/grocery stores you can pull all your vegatbles in as many plastic bags as you want but have to pay for take out bags. It phony, hypocritical and does absolutely nothing to correct environmental issues associated with plastic garbage. Some of us are pigs and discard garbage, i.e. garbage in the streets. The meat police are coming!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stores are all for this because it increases their bottom line. They make more money because instead of building the cost into the product price consumers have to pay extra but the price remains the same. In small supermarket/grocery stores you can pull all your vegatbles in as many plastic bags as you want but have to pay for take out bags. It phony, hypocritical and does absolutely nothing to correct environmental issues associated with plastic garbage. Some of us are pigs and discard garbage, i.e. garbage in the streets. The meat police are coming!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Pendergast</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1155951</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is stuff like this exhausting or what?  So many fascist little minions trying to limit or exterminate any choice we as individuals have in society.  It&#039;s the rule of know-it-all cat ladies who read a book about some seagull hopping around with a bag on its head.  

The science isn&#039;t even behind this, but who cares, it&#039;s all about feelings.  It&#039;s all about action based on whims of tofu eating narcissists.  

There&#039;s no escape in this country for common sense.  We&#039;re caught between judgmental hippies and judgmental bible thumpers.  &quot;Let me tell you how to live.&quot;  that&#039;s all I hear from people these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is stuff like this exhausting or what?  So many fascist little minions trying to limit or exterminate any choice we as individuals have in society.  It&#8217;s the rule of know-it-all cat ladies who read a book about some seagull hopping around with a bag on its head.  </p>
<p>The science isn&#8217;t even behind this, but who cares, it&#8217;s all about feelings.  It&#8217;s all about action based on whims of tofu eating narcissists.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no escape in this country for common sense.  We&#8217;re caught between judgmental hippies and judgmental bible thumpers.  &#8220;Let me tell you how to live.&#8221;  that&#8217;s all I hear from people these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Steveguy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1155950</link>
		<dc:creator>Steveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I may, I have some links that confirm my public health concerns. 

But first, I have a real stake in this bag ban. Sure, there are many people that use them myself included, and generally they are people that care about things. I am afraid the &#039;lower on the Bell Curve&#039; folks won&#039;t take the care with the bags that is necessary for public health concerns. I have no problem with the Prius drivin&#039; folks going to Trader Joe&#039;s and FINALLY being able to park, and then using  reusable bags. It&#039;s the ones that you DON&#039;T want any of their bags anywhere near you that bothers me. Big time. 

Where is the County Health person on this ?  I am serious, this is a huge concern for those with limited immunity. 

Links--

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/05/the-case-of-the-contaminated-reusable-grocery-bag/#.UPMI2x073ko

http://uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria

There are more, Google it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may, I have some links that confirm my public health concerns. </p>
<p>But first, I have a real stake in this bag ban. Sure, there are many people that use them myself included, and generally they are people that care about things. I am afraid the &#8216;lower on the Bell Curve&#8217; folks won&#8217;t take the care with the bags that is necessary for public health concerns. I have no problem with the Prius drivin&#8217; folks going to Trader Joe&#8217;s and FINALLY being able to park, and then using  reusable bags. It&#8217;s the ones that you DON&#8217;T want any of their bags anywhere near you that bothers me. Big time. </p>
<p>Where is the County Health person on this ?  I am serious, this is a huge concern for those with limited immunity. </p>
<p>Links&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/05/the-case-of-the-contaminated-reusable-grocery-bag/#.UPMI2x073ko" rel="nofollow">http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/05/the-case-of-the-contaminated-reusable-grocery-bag/#.UPMI2x073ko</a></p>
<p><a href="http://uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria" rel="nofollow">http://uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria</a></p>
<p>There are more, Google it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Check</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1155949</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It would not extend to bags used to hold meat, vegetables or prescriptions, or apply to restaurants or stand-alone delicatessens, thrift stores or other nonprofit charitable operations.&quot;

Hmm, so a store may provide me with a bag as long as my purchase includes one of the above items.  (Or will there be monitor to make sure no verboten items are commingled in bags?  The Orwellian potential here is interesting.)

Assuming no enforcement monitor, then as a practical matter it doesn&#039;t apply to grocery stores either.  

Why, pray tell, are non-profit stores exempt?  This looks like nothing more than upfront bias against stores that earn a profit and pay taxes.  We wouldn&#039;t, after all, want to encourage too much of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would not extend to bags used to hold meat, vegetables or prescriptions, or apply to restaurants or stand-alone delicatessens, thrift stores or other nonprofit charitable operations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, so a store may provide me with a bag as long as my purchase includes one of the above items.  (Or will there be monitor to make sure no verboten items are commingled in bags?  The Orwellian potential here is interesting.)</p>
<p>Assuming no enforcement monitor, then as a practical matter it doesn&#8217;t apply to grocery stores either.  </p>
<p>Why, pray tell, are non-profit stores exempt?  This looks like nothing more than upfront bias against stores that earn a profit and pay taxes.  We wouldn&#8217;t, after all, want to encourage too much of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steveguy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/county/sonoma-county-plastic-bag-ban-nears/#comment-1155948</link>
		<dc:creator>Steveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why FORCE a business to charge 10 cents for paper ? Are they going to fine a store that gives them away free ? ( My local corner store has used only paper, never plastic for decades) 

Where have those used bags been ? In the backseat with a dog ?  Then you want to put that suspect bag on a counter where fresh food is checked out ? I see a VERY serious public health issue there. Really- I don&#039;t want your scrungy old bag sitting where my fresh bag (plastic) of lettuce is headed for ! Really

There are also far more plastic bags IN the bag than the bag itself ! Think about it. Heck one shampoo bottle could probably make 100 bags. That hot dog package ( custom sausage for the foodies) is heavy plastic and could make maybe 3 bags by weight. On and on. Look INSIDE the plastic bag, and most everything is in plastic. So they ban ONE of the myriads of plastic containers, and a minuscule amount by weight. 

AND-  “We don’t want to come out just with guns blazing,” said Patrick Carter, an administrative analyst with the waste management agency. 
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Oh, the bag police will wait a few months for that. I foresee SWAT teams raiding a corner market holding everyone in place at gunpoint. Call it a &#039;revolutionary act&#039; and bring in the FBI, Homeland Security and the TSA. 

For the public health concerns--

I am VERY concerned, as I have an immunity disorder. Very concerned. The CDC (Center for Disease Control has even come out with findings and concerns. 

Oh my, now they want to kill me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why FORCE a business to charge 10 cents for paper ? Are they going to fine a store that gives them away free ? ( My local corner store has used only paper, never plastic for decades) </p>
<p>Where have those used bags been ? In the backseat with a dog ?  Then you want to put that suspect bag on a counter where fresh food is checked out ? I see a VERY serious public health issue there. Really- I don&#8217;t want your scrungy old bag sitting where my fresh bag (plastic) of lettuce is headed for ! Really</p>
<p>There are also far more plastic bags IN the bag than the bag itself ! Think about it. Heck one shampoo bottle could probably make 100 bags. That hot dog package ( custom sausage for the foodies) is heavy plastic and could make maybe 3 bags by weight. On and on. Look INSIDE the plastic bag, and most everything is in plastic. So they ban ONE of the myriads of plastic containers, and a minuscule amount by weight. </p>
<p>AND-  “We don’t want to come out just with guns blazing,” said Patrick Carter, an administrative analyst with the waste management agency.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Oh, the bag police will wait a few months for that. I foresee SWAT teams raiding a corner market holding everyone in place at gunpoint. Call it a &#8216;revolutionary act&#8217; and bring in the FBI, Homeland Security and the TSA. </p>
<p>For the public health concerns&#8211;</p>
<p>I am VERY concerned, as I have an immunity disorder. Very concerned. The CDC (Center for Disease Control has even come out with findings and concerns. </p>
<p>Oh my, now they want to kill me.</p>
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