Comments on: Sebastopol sued over drive-thru ban

By: Actually Living In 2013

Actually Living In 2013 — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:30:43 +0000

Once again the Press Democrat goes deep into the photo archives to retrieve that picture of the Pellini building. Beutiful sunny day, woman with a dog, the Pellini building looks like it did when it was open, bright paint, all the windows are there, no weeds, no fencing. Perhaps they could actually send a photographer to Sebastopol to get a curent photo of what this corner actually looks like? We all need to get the TRUE feeling of that unique small town atmosphere that they are trying to protect, so let’s see what they’re trying to project as the beautiful gateway to town as it appeared when the council decided to put in the moratorium on drive-thrus, ban chains, and force everyone to go solar.

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By: bear

bear — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:23:22 +0000

Oh please. Your’re opposing the decisions of the democratically elected City Council of Sebastopol?

If you don’t like what they do, change the Council. Anything else would be a violation of the US and State Consitutions.

Just stand up and run for office.

Or stop whining.

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By: Greg Karraker

Greg Karraker — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:27:20 +0000

Bear:

I think it’s time to borrow a page from the progressive playbook. To wit: Don’t like the law? Go judge-shopping.

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By: Its about time!

Its about time! — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:28:47 +0000

This has been going on in our County for years. Windsor developed a tree ordinance to stop 32 homes from being built next to a Winery. They also change the setbacks from vineyards so the land would be useless.
But, if the developer is “green” they get a free pass and can cut down all the trees they want because it is good for the environment.
I hope they stick it to the progressives and teach them how to play in the sand box again.

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By: James Bennett

James Bennett — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:44:06 +0000

“Bear”: The connection between our “planning” (property rights) ideology and UN Agenda 21 has been covered by a few of us on this board.

Do they teach that at ICLEI conferences?
The old; “do you want a pig farm next door”? That tells me you’ve had some training, Bear.

No, we don’t have to worry about pig farms ’cause agriculture is under assault too. Know anyone in ag? Ask ‘em how things are ‘goin.

Love the Barlow project, that’s what I was suggesting for the Sebastopol Rd. redevelopment site.

I’d rather see traffic and prosperity, than rickshaws and boarded buildings.

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By: bear

bear — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:45:34 +0000

Don’t like this? Then change the city council, the planning commission and the law.

Don’t like the law? Move to China.

Enjoy the traffic nightmare in the name of “free market capitalism.”

Where should I put my pig farm? Next door to you?

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By: Snarky

Snarky — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:00:33 +0000

Farmer West:

Your reference to the City of Half Moon Bay government idiots (south of San Francisco) is well understood.

As always, the government idiots play their little childish games and then when the game blows up in their faces post civil litigation, the government freaks never have to pay a dime out of THEIR OWN POCKET. Thats the problem.

The citizens of HMB are the victims. The government freaks should have to pay.

And, as you said, the government freaks who are so arrogantly manipulating “the law” in Sebastopol need to be held accountable as well.

I hope the various victims, including the citizens, can find a way to litigate against that city in a very successful manner. And then…. I hope the people of Sebastopol find a way to make the guilty government freaks feel so uncomfortable that they leave the county… after first leaving their cushy do-nothing government jobs, first, of course.

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By: Beef King

Beef King — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:01:44 +0000

Drive thru or not, Sebastopol will no longer be able to avoid the nightmare that is traffic, and this development along with the Barlow will create absolute gridlock.
Look for angry citizens in 2015.

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By: James Bennett

James Bennett — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:10:13 +0000

I like it.

The only part I don’t like is defending oppressive property rights/planning ideology with our money.

Unfortuneatly the only thing they seem to understand is a law suit.

However allowing this free market sabotage is proving more expensive.

Don’t care for Chase, but that’s not the point.

The free market is brutal, like the jungle. If consumers didn’t patronize Chase they would be extinct.

But like the jungle, the free market works perfect.

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By: Snarky

Snarky — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:57:09 +0000

Weak little public employees trying to pretend importance… and pretending importance by playing games with the “law.”

Thats all there is to this story.

The end result is more and more widespread disdain for government and anyone who advocates obeying “the law.”

After all, why “obey” when the freaks of government use “the law” to manipulate and bully innocent people and innocent business ?

Why “obey” ??

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By: Greg Karraker

Greg Karraker — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:31:01 +0000

“Nothing is frozen in place because you have a project approval. Cities are free to change their laws.”

I am not an attorney, but had an attorney successfully pursue a claim of fraud in which I was the plaintiff. I’ll paraphrase the legal definition, which is quite simple: An untrue statement, which causes the believer financial harm.”

I’m no fan of CVS or Chase, but they have clearly been lied to by the presumptuous fools who govern that loony little town, and they have certainly suffered financial harm. To teach progressives everywhere a lesson, I hope CVS/Chase sue for millions ,win, bankrupt the town, then pull up stakes and leave that decaying little corner vacant for decades.

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By: farmer west

farmer west — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:30:00 +0000

Disasterpol needs to look at Half Moon Bay before they go any further.

Half Moon Bay lost in court over a development they approved, then over the course years the city put up moratoriums and other tricks to prevent the development.

The investors in the project were awarded 18 million dollars. nearly caused the city to file BK.

Wake up before it is too late.

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By: GAJ

GAJ — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:29:19 +0000

If I were a developer who had spent three years and well north of six figures to get approval, and then have this dropped on my head, I’d sue as well.

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