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	<title>Comments on: Petaluma City Council OKs tough smoking ban</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1165807</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why the ban on e-cigarettes? Because it looks like second smoke? Is that going to lead to something that looks like cancer?

This is insane.  They say they want to stop second-hand smoke, so what do they do? They ban something that helps people quit, and saves lives, out of ignorant fear.

All the &quot;best science&quot; available shows that there is nothing harmful in exhaled e-cigarette vapor. By banning them in private homes, all they&#039;ve done is shown they care more about keeping up the appearance of wanting to save people&#039;s lives than to actually help save them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the ban on e-cigarettes? Because it looks like second smoke? Is that going to lead to something that looks like cancer?</p>
<p>This is insane.  They say they want to stop second-hand smoke, so what do they do? They ban something that helps people quit, and saves lives, out of ignorant fear.</p>
<p>All the &#8220;best science&#8221; available shows that there is nothing harmful in exhaled e-cigarette vapor. By banning them in private homes, all they&#8217;ve done is shown they care more about keeping up the appearance of wanting to save people&#8217;s lives than to actually help save them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1141081</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could, as long as it did not cause any potential damage to anyone around you, or the air, or affected the environment in any way or even worse, your neighbor.  There doesn&#039;t have to be any proof that your combustion would hurt anyone, we are okay with making assumptions here in Petaluma, we don&#039;t need facts or proof to make decisions.  So go head and combust, just make sure we know who blame, we can&#039;t have you leaving us with no one to point the finger at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could, as long as it did not cause any potential damage to anyone around you, or the air, or affected the environment in any way or even worse, your neighbor.  There doesn&#8217;t have to be any proof that your combustion would hurt anyone, we are okay with making assumptions here in Petaluma, we don&#8217;t need facts or proof to make decisions.  So go head and combust, just make sure we know who blame, we can&#8217;t have you leaving us with no one to point the finger at.</p>
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		<title>By: Steveguy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1140119</link>
		<dc:creator>Steveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way I see it is this--   If I smoke in my own bedroom the Dems are controlling  me, If I have sex the Repubs want to control me. 

Stay out of my bedroom, all of you. Leave me alone !!!  Leave everyone alone, you Nazi&#039;s. 

When does the &quot; Report Your Neighbor&quot; for profit come into effect ? The normal &#039;nosy neighbors&#039; now have Police Powers. 

Yes, the Police will get you for smoking. Make EVERYTHING illegal and fine us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it is this&#8211;   If I smoke in my own bedroom the Dems are controlling  me, If I have sex the Repubs want to control me. </p>
<p>Stay out of my bedroom, all of you. Leave me alone !!!  Leave everyone alone, you Nazi&#8217;s. </p>
<p>When does the &#8221; Report Your Neighbor&#8221; for profit come into effect ? The normal &#8216;nosy neighbors&#8217; now have Police Powers. </p>
<p>Yes, the Police will get you for smoking. Make EVERYTHING illegal and fine us.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Clopton</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1138959</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Clopton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the nanny state had it covered with our mandatory seat belts and helmets, but the nanny now wants us to not smoke at bus stops or parking lots.  I&#039;ll bet the Petaluma City council people then went out after voting and fired up their vehicles, spewing exhaust all the way home.  Have you ever heard of anyone locking himself in the garage and smoking himself to death?  Well, don&#039;t try that with a car in the garage, or you&#039;ll be dead before the car runs out of gas.  I don&#039;t smoke any more, but do enjoy the electronic &quot;cigarette&quot;, a misnomer, because there is no smoke, only steam.  The ninnies in Petaluma also outlawed these, I suppose they&#039;re too dumb to know the difference.  When I did quit cigarettes, the first thing I noticed was the strong smell of car exhaust just about everywhere I went. Diesel is even worse.  We have air pollution, light pollution (for us amateur astronomers) sound pollution and politician pollution.  The politicians are the most offensive, in my view.  Now that smokers are in the minority, lets stamp them out!  Democracy is overrated.  It&#039;s 3 wolves and a chicken voting on what&#039;s for dinner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the nanny state had it covered with our mandatory seat belts and helmets, but the nanny now wants us to not smoke at bus stops or parking lots.  I&#8217;ll bet the Petaluma City council people then went out after voting and fired up their vehicles, spewing exhaust all the way home.  Have you ever heard of anyone locking himself in the garage and smoking himself to death?  Well, don&#8217;t try that with a car in the garage, or you&#8217;ll be dead before the car runs out of gas.  I don&#8217;t smoke any more, but do enjoy the electronic &#8220;cigarette&#8221;, a misnomer, because there is no smoke, only steam.  The ninnies in Petaluma also outlawed these, I suppose they&#8217;re too dumb to know the difference.  When I did quit cigarettes, the first thing I noticed was the strong smell of car exhaust just about everywhere I went. Diesel is even worse.  We have air pollution, light pollution (for us amateur astronomers) sound pollution and politician pollution.  The politicians are the most offensive, in my view.  Now that smokers are in the minority, lets stamp them out!  Democracy is overrated.  It&#8217;s 3 wolves and a chicken voting on what&#8217;s for dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: brown act Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1137777</link>
		<dc:creator>brown act Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[80 years ago , when I was 10, every grammar school child, knew that cigarettes were dangerous and were , in fact, called &quot;coffin nails&quot; , but that never stopped them from trying to smoke!

Perhaps the solution is to put a tax on smoking that would only go to a fund to treat lung cancer!   
You charge them 10cents a pack, or what ever is needed, to fund a program to pay for the cost of treatment or funeral for smokers.

I was one of 6 children and only the non-smokers lived to be over 90 years old! 3 of them died young!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80 years ago , when I was 10, every grammar school child, knew that cigarettes were dangerous and were , in fact, called &#8220;coffin nails&#8221; , but that never stopped them from trying to smoke!</p>
<p>Perhaps the solution is to put a tax on smoking that would only go to a fund to treat lung cancer!<br />
You charge them 10cents a pack, or what ever is needed, to fund a program to pay for the cost of treatment or funeral for smokers.</p>
<p>I was one of 6 children and only the non-smokers lived to be over 90 years old! 3 of them died young!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1137050</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the city should ban the sale of cigarettes. So should the state and the Federal government. This would be a move in line with the Obama Administration&#039;s health initiatives.

Oh wait, then there would be $18+ billion dollars less in tax revenue. Guess they&#039;ll keep talking out of both sides of their mouths. Business as usual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the city should ban the sale of cigarettes. So should the state and the Federal government. This would be a move in line with the Obama Administration&#8217;s health initiatives.</p>
<p>Oh wait, then there would be $18+ billion dollars less in tax revenue. Guess they&#8217;ll keep talking out of both sides of their mouths. Business as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: FedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1136918</link>
		<dc:creator>FedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because the safety of e-cigarettes hasn’t been fully studied, it is unknown how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals is being inhaled during use or expressed as vapor that could affect someone else&quot;

“We’re going on what the best available science is right now for us,”

I see, so now the _lack_ of evidence justifies curtailment of liberty. 

“I just finished 16 months of treatments for bladder cancer,” he said. “And the doctor says there’s a very good chance it was caused by second-hand smoke.”

See comment above.

Good-bye sweet America]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because the safety of e-cigarettes hasn’t been fully studied, it is unknown how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals is being inhaled during use or expressed as vapor that could affect someone else&#8221;</p>
<p>“We’re going on what the best available science is right now for us,”</p>
<p>I see, so now the _lack_ of evidence justifies curtailment of liberty. </p>
<p>“I just finished 16 months of treatments for bladder cancer,” he said. “And the doctor says there’s a very good chance it was caused by second-hand smoke.”</p>
<p>See comment above.</p>
<p>Good-bye sweet America</p>
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		<title>By: BigDogatPlay</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1133057</link>
		<dc:creator>BigDogatPlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Mayor David Glass, the issue was personal.

“I just finished 16 months of treatments for bladder cancer,” he said. “And the doctor says there’s a very good chance it was caused by second-hand smoke.”

Really? By someone blowing smoke up what?

The council has far, far weightier issues to take up. And out new police chief, who I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to, seems to think this a large enough scale public safety issue that it warrants using the police power in this intrusive, privacy destroying way?

It&#039;s not going to be funny when the flight begins and the only thing left in town is city employees, politicians and people who don&#039;t pay taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Mayor David Glass, the issue was personal.</p>
<p>“I just finished 16 months of treatments for bladder cancer,” he said. “And the doctor says there’s a very good chance it was caused by second-hand smoke.”</p>
<p>Really? By someone blowing smoke up what?</p>
<p>The council has far, far weightier issues to take up. And out new police chief, who I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to, seems to think this a large enough scale public safety issue that it warrants using the police power in this intrusive, privacy destroying way?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to be funny when the flight begins and the only thing left in town is city employees, politicians and people who don&#8217;t pay taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Grapevines</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2013/01/cities/petaluma-city-council-oks-tough-smoking-ban/#comment-1132302</link>
		<dc:creator>Grapevines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if I suffered from Spontaneous Human Combustion I couldn&#039;t live in Petaluma, right??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I suffered from Spontaneous Human Combustion I couldn&#8217;t live in Petaluma, right??</p>
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