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	<title>Comments on: Water Quality Board seeks record fine for Highway 101 work in Santa Rosa</title>
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		<title>By: Little Advice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking from experience, it is impossible to self perform that work in-house unless they have a zero tolerance attitude with their work force. I have done projects with zero issues but it was a battle where I had no choice but to fire many workers for not adhering to the permit constraints. Complying with the permit can be done but the cost to us was substantially more than budgeted or what the estimators bid but it was a far cry less than the fines and lawyer bills for not complying. 

To comply with the permit the owner’s mindset must change, the estimators need bid the cost of the compliance in their bid verses what is done now, bid work too cheap and expect the “close and go mindset” to work, those days are over with. Glover / Ghilotti need to reeve late the costs and put all those costs into the budget, down time, street sweeping, trash and litter pickup, temporary measures, and whatever else is mandated by the permit. This includes the daily paperwork and employing QSD/QSP on the projects preparing the daily – weekly – monthly paperwork the permit requires.

Hence we used North Coast Resource Management (NCRM) for the QSP/QSD and a Qualified SWPPP / BMB subcontractor at a cost that was more than bid but when it was all said and done, a job well done and zero fines or lawyer bills… I will say, the daily paperwork NCRM generated was equal to a tree being removed everyday and used for their daily documentation of the site, this aspect I don’t think the water board took into account, this makes no sense knowing their liberal and don’t want trees removed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from experience, it is impossible to self perform that work in-house unless they have a zero tolerance attitude with their work force. I have done projects with zero issues but it was a battle where I had no choice but to fire many workers for not adhering to the permit constraints. Complying with the permit can be done but the cost to us was substantially more than budgeted or what the estimators bid but it was a far cry less than the fines and lawyer bills for not complying. </p>
<p>To comply with the permit the owner’s mindset must change, the estimators need bid the cost of the compliance in their bid verses what is done now, bid work too cheap and expect the “close and go mindset” to work, those days are over with. Glover / Ghilotti need to reeve late the costs and put all those costs into the budget, down time, street sweeping, trash and litter pickup, temporary measures, and whatever else is mandated by the permit. This includes the daily paperwork and employing QSD/QSP on the projects preparing the daily – weekly – monthly paperwork the permit requires.</p>
<p>Hence we used North Coast Resource Management (NCRM) for the QSP/QSD and a Qualified SWPPP / BMB subcontractor at a cost that was more than bid but when it was all said and done, a job well done and zero fines or lawyer bills… I will say, the daily paperwork NCRM generated was equal to a tree being removed everyday and used for their daily documentation of the site, this aspect I don’t think the water board took into account, this makes no sense knowing their liberal and don’t want trees removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/sacramento/water-quality-board-seeks-record-fine-for-highway-101-work-in-santa-rosa/#comment-662570</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has come down to the govenment environmental bureaucrats eating their young.  Doesn&#039;t all of this strike you as outrageous? 

This is another outstanding example of our progressive, extreme leftist government here in California gone mad.  

The government power to tax and the government power to sue, is the true power to destroy and destroy it has done.

It is no wonder more and more businesses and entrepreneurs have move out of state and this trend will accelerate.  The business climate in this state and in Sonoma County is atrocious. 

The passage of Prop. 30 will only speed up this exit. Enough is enough.  Moving on and moving out are the best options for those unwilling to be sujected to the abuse of high taxes, total regulations and rediculous penalties. 

Those left will be eating the few crumbs left from the hands of big brother, Santa Claus, the government taxing the poor and suing other governmental agencies over a little mud spilled by mother nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has come down to the govenment environmental bureaucrats eating their young.  Doesn&#8217;t all of this strike you as outrageous? </p>
<p>This is another outstanding example of our progressive, extreme leftist government here in California gone mad.  </p>
<p>The government power to tax and the government power to sue, is the true power to destroy and destroy it has done.</p>
<p>It is no wonder more and more businesses and entrepreneurs have move out of state and this trend will accelerate.  The business climate in this state and in Sonoma County is atrocious. </p>
<p>The passage of Prop. 30 will only speed up this exit. Enough is enough.  Moving on and moving out are the best options for those unwilling to be sujected to the abuse of high taxes, total regulations and rediculous penalties. </p>
<p>Those left will be eating the few crumbs left from the hands of big brother, Santa Claus, the government taxing the poor and suing other governmental agencies over a little mud spilled by mother nature.</p>
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		<title>By: What are you drinking, friends?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What are you drinking, friends?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who pays to make sure we all have clean water to drink when it&#039;s been polluted with mud and silt? Especially after warnings and guidance about how to keep it clean. 

How much does it cost to clean the pumps and filters operated by the Water Agency? How much does it cost to clean the gravels and sand that naturally filter our water?

Who pays to clean up the gravels used by the salmon and steelhead for spawning? Sorry, they don&#039;t clean up so well.

Why would any public agency give a crap about cleaning up mistakes made by others when it damages all our drinking water?  or should they just can it and go away?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who pays to make sure we all have clean water to drink when it&#8217;s been polluted with mud and silt? Especially after warnings and guidance about how to keep it clean. </p>
<p>How much does it cost to clean the pumps and filters operated by the Water Agency? How much does it cost to clean the gravels and sand that naturally filter our water?</p>
<p>Who pays to clean up the gravels used by the salmon and steelhead for spawning? Sorry, they don&#8217;t clean up so well.</p>
<p>Why would any public agency give a crap about cleaning up mistakes made by others when it damages all our drinking water?  or should they just can it and go away?</p>
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		<title>By: @snarky</title>
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		<dc:creator>@snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Snarky, in short, you are a liar. The police were fined for not adhering to a city ordinance that is completely inconsistent with state and federal law.  In fact, they were in complete compliance with state and federal law.  

Just the same, the actions that Ghilotti took were clearly am assault on protected species whom we have spent millions of dollars to restore habitat for...contrary to local belief, public employees and endangered species share the same allies, because at the end of the day huge corporate  nd pollution interest will screw public employees and the environment unless we stand together as brothers and sisters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snarky, in short, you are a liar. The police were fined for not adhering to a city ordinance that is completely inconsistent with state and federal law.  In fact, they were in complete compliance with state and federal law.  </p>
<p>Just the same, the actions that Ghilotti took were clearly am assault on protected species whom we have spent millions of dollars to restore habitat for&#8230;contrary to local belief, public employees and endangered species share the same allies, because at the end of the day huge corporate  nd pollution interest will screw public employees and the environment unless we stand together as brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: Snarky</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/sacramento/water-quality-board-seeks-record-fine-for-highway-101-work-in-santa-rosa/#comment-661193</link>
		<dc:creator>Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets see.

The state and local government steal OUR money.. and call it &quot;voluntary&quot; taxes.

They then try to steal it from each other.. in this case its Water Quality vs. CalTrans. Failing that, you can bet that the contractor will be the only one to actually lose money.

And, a fine in the MILLIONS of dollars.

Now, compare that to the tiny fine levied against the local police officers union for the illegal election material that they mailed out... which violated FEDERAL election laws.

What did the local &quot;public safety&quot; people have to pay for their attempt to manipulate the voters ?????????

A thousand bucks, right ? Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see.</p>
<p>The state and local government steal OUR money.. and call it &#8220;voluntary&#8221; taxes.</p>
<p>They then try to steal it from each other.. in this case its Water Quality vs. CalTrans. Failing that, you can bet that the contractor will be the only one to actually lose money.</p>
<p>And, a fine in the MILLIONS of dollars.</p>
<p>Now, compare that to the tiny fine levied against the local police officers union for the illegal election material that they mailed out&#8230; which violated FEDERAL election laws.</p>
<p>What did the local &#8220;public safety&#8221; people have to pay for their attempt to manipulate the voters ?????????</p>
<p>A thousand bucks, right ? Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/sacramento/water-quality-board-seeks-record-fine-for-highway-101-work-in-santa-rosa/#comment-661170</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I met Ghilotti at the Wells Fargo Center during the well monitoring fiasco that had property owners coming out in such numbers that they had to rent the facility with a mid day and evening meeting. He struck me as a no B.S. country boy in overalls. A big man&#039;s man, he was almost in tears. Because of everything the county puts him through. So much unnecessary expense. He cited examples, he told me it was too much. He had work, it was just too damn expensive to do business. The next day he had to lay off a couple guys that had been with him for many years.

Now let&#039;s apply some common sense (remember that?), what happens after a big rain? A big rain that forces a couple small mud slides/erosion?

It&#039;s not battery acid or industrial waste...it&#039;s dirt.

Paying this enormous governmental machine to put us out of business, out of our rights, out of our money.

Are we all out of our minds?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met Ghilotti at the Wells Fargo Center during the well monitoring fiasco that had property owners coming out in such numbers that they had to rent the facility with a mid day and evening meeting. He struck me as a no B.S. country boy in overalls. A big man&#8217;s man, he was almost in tears. Because of everything the county puts him through. So much unnecessary expense. He cited examples, he told me it was too much. He had work, it was just too damn expensive to do business. The next day he had to lay off a couple guys that had been with him for many years.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s apply some common sense (remember that?), what happens after a big rain? A big rain that forces a couple small mud slides/erosion?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not battery acid or industrial waste&#8230;it&#8217;s dirt.</p>
<p>Paying this enormous governmental machine to put us out of business, out of our rights, out of our money.</p>
<p>Are we all out of our minds?</p>
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		<title>By: GAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear lord...this State is insane.

&quot;The maximum fines that could have been levied were $167 million, according to the complaint.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear lord&#8230;this State is insane.</p>
<p>&#8220;The maximum fines that could have been levied were $167 million, according to the complaint.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: E Nuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>E Nuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is precisely what is wrong with government today. Too many agencies each fighting over turf and funding. When that fails start suing each other.   

Look who this board is, Activists, Lawyers and PhD&#039;s appointed by the Governor.  

http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/northcoast/board_info/board_members.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is precisely what is wrong with government today. Too many agencies each fighting over turf and funding. When that fails start suing each other.   </p>
<p>Look who this board is, Activists, Lawyers and PhD&#8217;s appointed by the Governor.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/northcoast/board_info/board_members.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/northcoast/board_info/board_members.shtml</a></p>
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