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	<title>Comments on: County set to study cyclist protections</title>
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		<title>By: Phil Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-703668</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anthony Angry-

Technically speaking, from the standpoint of cyclists being considered vehicles, and also obligated to follow the same basic rules as motorists, flipping someone off is covered under the laws pertaining to road rage. It&#039;s not only a sizable fine, it&#039;s a 52 week anger management class. 

Traveling country roads that cyclists of all stripes use regularly on a daily basis, I can definitely speak to a few that are imprudently arrogant, ignorant, or at least somewhat hostile, but when we&#039;re all conscious and courteous toward one another, I have yet to find that we all can&#039;t share and enjoy the road successfully and safely.

However, I do think that the nature of this newly proposed law is both unnecessary and rife with unforeseen problems. The efforts should be put toward joint education of both groups and a heightened regard and awareness for the rights, privileges and obligations we have in common, regardless of one&#039;s chosen form of transportation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anthony Angry-</p>
<p>Technically speaking, from the standpoint of cyclists being considered vehicles, and also obligated to follow the same basic rules as motorists, flipping someone off is covered under the laws pertaining to road rage. It&#8217;s not only a sizable fine, it&#8217;s a 52 week anger management class. </p>
<p>Traveling country roads that cyclists of all stripes use regularly on a daily basis, I can definitely speak to a few that are imprudently arrogant, ignorant, or at least somewhat hostile, but when we&#8217;re all conscious and courteous toward one another, I have yet to find that we all can&#8217;t share and enjoy the road successfully and safely.</p>
<p>However, I do think that the nature of this newly proposed law is both unnecessary and rife with unforeseen problems. The efforts should be put toward joint education of both groups and a heightened regard and awareness for the rights, privileges and obligations we have in common, regardless of one&#8217;s chosen form of transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-703646</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ David

When cyclists occupy the road on a narrow lane, they are actually following the law, copied below from the California Vehicle Code:
Cyclists are not required to ride single file or at the right hand side if the road is too narrow to pass safely. You must wait for a section of road where it is safe to pass.

Vehicle Code Section 21202.  (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed
less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction
at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following
situations:
   (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle
proceeding in the same direction.
....(deleted section)
   (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but
not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles,
pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes)
that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge,
subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this
section, a &quot;substandard width lane&quot; is a lane that is too narrow for
a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the
lane.
....(deleted section)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David</p>
<p>When cyclists occupy the road on a narrow lane, they are actually following the law, copied below from the California Vehicle Code:<br />
Cyclists are not required to ride single file or at the right hand side if the road is too narrow to pass safely. You must wait for a section of road where it is safe to pass.</p>
<p>Vehicle Code Section 21202.  (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed<br />
less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction<br />
at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand<br />
curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following<br />
situations:<br />
   (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle<br />
proceeding in the same direction.<br />
&#8230;.(deleted section)<br />
   (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but<br />
not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles,<br />
pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes)<br />
that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge,<br />
subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this<br />
section, a &#8220;substandard width lane&#8221; is a lane that is too narrow for<br />
a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the<br />
lane.<br />
&#8230;.(deleted section)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-699150</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bipedial,
What you claim about cyclists is not the truth. I don’t know why you misrepresent the truth. You claim that male groups of cyclists “without fail…are aggressive, unpredictable, and rude”. Your statement is false.
 
I’ve ridden is groups of cyclists of every kind for many years, including skilled racing veterans, as well as the overweight and elder, also skilled, for tens of thousands of miles. I have never witnessed, from within a cycling group, the behavior you claim that you see “without fail”. Frankly, such behavior would not be tolerated among the riders I know.

I’ve never seen a group of cyclists even respond in anger to vehicles, except on one occasion when a driver endangered several of us with an illegal turn. We yelled at him and then learned he was Australian, had misread a road sign, and was horrified to think he might have injured someone. It ended in no great harm and mumbled apologies all round.

You don’t seem to realize that, when you spread these false tales, you encourage others to behave aggressively toward people who are largely defenseless against attack. You endanger the lives of many bike riders. We’ve all seen the results of such attacks in recent months. You apparently wish to see more.

Why? What happened to tolerance? What became of respect for the freedom of others?
I can say this much; if you really are receiving aggressive treatment from cyclists, you must be doing something really annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bipedial,<br />
What you claim about cyclists is not the truth. I don’t know why you misrepresent the truth. You claim that male groups of cyclists “without fail…are aggressive, unpredictable, and rude”. Your statement is false.</p>
<p>I’ve ridden is groups of cyclists of every kind for many years, including skilled racing veterans, as well as the overweight and elder, also skilled, for tens of thousands of miles. I have never witnessed, from within a cycling group, the behavior you claim that you see “without fail”. Frankly, such behavior would not be tolerated among the riders I know.</p>
<p>I’ve never seen a group of cyclists even respond in anger to vehicles, except on one occasion when a driver endangered several of us with an illegal turn. We yelled at him and then learned he was Australian, had misread a road sign, and was horrified to think he might have injured someone. It ended in no great harm and mumbled apologies all round.</p>
<p>You don’t seem to realize that, when you spread these false tales, you encourage others to behave aggressively toward people who are largely defenseless against attack. You endanger the lives of many bike riders. We’ve all seen the results of such attacks in recent months. You apparently wish to see more.</p>
<p>Why? What happened to tolerance? What became of respect for the freedom of others?<br />
I can say this much; if you really are receiving aggressive treatment from cyclists, you must be doing something really annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-687328</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When riders are 2 and 3 abreast on narrow County roads, and make no effort to move to single file, I assume they don&#039;t know that I am behind them. How should I let them know that I am there or should I just drive along for ever waiting for a safe place to pass? I am not hostile to bike riders and I believe they should follow the rules of the road. Why do they ride 2 and 3 abreast on narrow roads?

If the PD did not post your response I have to assume that it is you that has hostility issues as they haven&#039;t censored my posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When riders are 2 and 3 abreast on narrow County roads, and make no effort to move to single file, I assume they don&#8217;t know that I am behind them. How should I let them know that I am there or should I just drive along for ever waiting for a safe place to pass? I am not hostile to bike riders and I believe they should follow the rules of the road. Why do they ride 2 and 3 abreast on narrow roads?</p>
<p>If the PD did not post your response I have to assume that it is you that has hostility issues as they haven&#8217;t censored my posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Angry</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-683610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@David

My response to you has yet to be posted and I&#039;m assuming that the mods have rejected it because I was honest in my response free speech is not honored here.  I can be emailed at Gad.Seditious@gmail.com and welcome your email.  Using your horn is never friendly and that is why a rider would give you the bird. Because you are using a noise that is easily interpreted as hostile. Why can&#039;t you go around cyclists without blaring a very disturbing noise? I think it&#039;s because you mean for it to be hostile and then you complain about the response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David</p>
<p>My response to you has yet to be posted and I&#8217;m assuming that the mods have rejected it because I was honest in my response free speech is not honored here.  I can be emailed at <a href="mailto:Gad.Seditious@gmail.com">Gad.Seditious@gmail.com</a> and welcome your email.  Using your horn is never friendly and that is why a rider would give you the bird. Because you are using a noise that is easily interpreted as hostile. Why can&#8217;t you go around cyclists without blaring a very disturbing noise? I think it&#8217;s because you mean for it to be hostile and then you complain about the response.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-679408</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Angry

Do you EVER drive the back roads on weekends? The road to Olema has riders 2 and 3 abreast everywhere. Try a friendly tap on the horn to let them know you are behind them and see what happens. You either don&#039;t drive the roads or you are blind. I have bike riders in my family so I go out of my way to respect riders, all I ask is the same respect for my rights as an auto driver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Angry</p>
<p>Do you EVER drive the back roads on weekends? The road to Olema has riders 2 and 3 abreast everywhere. Try a friendly tap on the horn to let them know you are behind them and see what happens. You either don&#8217;t drive the roads or you are blind. I have bike riders in my family so I go out of my way to respect riders, all I ask is the same respect for my rights as an auto driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Angry</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-679297</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t even believe these people that are claiming all this harassment from cyclists. I drive and ride Sonoma county roads and I&#039;ve never been flipped off or yelled at by cyclists. Never had them block the road by riding in the lane, even when their are several. Either these people are just lying or they are provoking the rides and then complaining about the response. There are tons of videos of drivers harassing and deliberately hitting cyclists, but where are the videos of what these people are claiming? You&#039;d think there would tns of them the way some of the people here are going on about it, as if every cyclists is a rabid punk zig zagging down the road giving everyone the bird and screaming like lunatic. It&#039;s bull, these people need to talk to a therapist about their emotional problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even believe these people that are claiming all this harassment from cyclists. I drive and ride Sonoma county roads and I&#8217;ve never been flipped off or yelled at by cyclists. Never had them block the road by riding in the lane, even when their are several. Either these people are just lying or they are provoking the rides and then complaining about the response. There are tons of videos of drivers harassing and deliberately hitting cyclists, but where are the videos of what these people are claiming? You&#8217;d think there would tns of them the way some of the people here are going on about it, as if every cyclists is a rabid punk zig zagging down the road giving everyone the bird and screaming like lunatic. It&#8217;s bull, these people need to talk to a therapist about their emotional problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bipedial</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-677883</link>
		<dc:creator>Bipedial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reading these posts is seems the Bicycling group is trying to portray the Car group as a fringe of angry lunatics and people haters of some sort. 

I don&#039;t know who is right but I do know that without fail when I approach a male group of back road cyclists they are aggressive, unpredictable, and rude. 

Guys I think you are the cause of your own problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading these posts is seems the Bicycling group is trying to portray the Car group as a fringe of angry lunatics and people haters of some sort. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who is right but I do know that without fail when I approach a male group of back road cyclists they are aggressive, unpredictable, and rude. </p>
<p>Guys I think you are the cause of your own problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-677832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should cyclists get special rights over non-cyclists?

How is the crazy Oakmonter a good example of cyclists needing special rights not covered by law? Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and hit and run hardly sounds like he is getting away with anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should cyclists get special rights over non-cyclists?</p>
<p>How is the crazy Oakmonter a good example of cyclists needing special rights not covered by law? Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and hit and run hardly sounds like he is getting away with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: MOCKINGBIRD</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-675151</link>
		<dc:creator>MOCKINGBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you Snarky.  Reminds me of that old Disney cartoon where family man Pluto turns into the devil incarnate when he gets behind the wheel of his car.

People can do a lot when driving by being patient, driving defensively (remember those lessons?), keeping to the speed limit, AND NOT DRIVING DISTRACTED. 

I walk all the time and I can tell you everytime I approach a crosswalk, especially at night, I am so very careful.  I don&#039;t assume the driver sees me or even cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Snarky.  Reminds me of that old Disney cartoon where family man Pluto turns into the devil incarnate when he gets behind the wheel of his car.</p>
<p>People can do a lot when driving by being patient, driving defensively (remember those lessons?), keeping to the speed limit, AND NOT DRIVING DISTRACTED. </p>
<p>I walk all the time and I can tell you everytime I approach a crosswalk, especially at night, I am so very careful.  I don&#8217;t assume the driver sees me or even cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674754</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every time the word ‘bicycle’ is mentioned in the PD a predictable little mob of whining, finger-pointing bike-hating trolls crawl our from under your rocks and start howling and moaning about the horrors of bicycling and how those who ride them are a despicable bunch of miscreants. It’s exactly the cultivation of this bigoted hatred that leads to danger and death for so many bike riders in Sonoma County. You are the people the County Supervisors are referring to when they make new law to protect people on bicycles.

And yet the fact is, I also drive on these streets and roads and I NEVER see anything of this terrible cycling menace that you all are so worked up about. I mean NEVER, and even if such things did occur on occasion, so what? Plenty of intelligent folks fail to conform to the ridiculous demands of awful people like you barking, bike-hating trolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time the word ‘bicycle’ is mentioned in the PD a predictable little mob of whining, finger-pointing bike-hating trolls crawl our from under your rocks and start howling and moaning about the horrors of bicycling and how those who ride them are a despicable bunch of miscreants. It’s exactly the cultivation of this bigoted hatred that leads to danger and death for so many bike riders in Sonoma County. You are the people the County Supervisors are referring to when they make new law to protect people on bicycles.</p>
<p>And yet the fact is, I also drive on these streets and roads and I NEVER see anything of this terrible cycling menace that you all are so worked up about. I mean NEVER, and even if such things did occur on occasion, so what? Plenty of intelligent folks fail to conform to the ridiculous demands of awful people like you barking, bike-hating trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Check</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674737</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big Jim,

Sorry for the bad experience.  I wonder though if many drivers aren&#039;t unsure of their rights to drive in a bike lane, causing some confusion here.  I don&#039;t know the rules myself and simply do what seems safe.  But then, I read of the whopping fine for slipping over early to make a right turn and wonder what we&#039;ve unleashed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Jim,</p>
<p>Sorry for the bad experience.  I wonder though if many drivers aren&#8217;t unsure of their rights to drive in a bike lane, causing some confusion here.  I don&#8217;t know the rules myself and simply do what seems safe.  But then, I read of the whopping fine for slipping over early to make a right turn and wonder what we&#8217;ve unleashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674697</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When push finally comes to shove in the contest for pavement, lycra is a poor match for steel.
Arrogance is stupidity spoke loud.
Heinlein knew stupidity to be the only capital offense.
Any fool who thinks they can win an argument with a car is a Darwin Award candidate.
Having your family sue for and be awarded damages is a pyrrhic victory.
Grow up; slow up; quit acting like spoiled entitled children.
That truck trumps your law everytime.
Morons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When push finally comes to shove in the contest for pavement, lycra is a poor match for steel.<br />
Arrogance is stupidity spoke loud.<br />
Heinlein knew stupidity to be the only capital offense.<br />
Any fool who thinks they can win an argument with a car is a Darwin Award candidate.<br />
Having your family sue for and be awarded damages is a pyrrhic victory.<br />
Grow up; slow up; quit acting like spoiled entitled children.<br />
That truck trumps your law everytime.<br />
Morons.</p>
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		<title>By: homegirl</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674436</link>
		<dc:creator>homegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see it as time to crack down on cyclists not drivers. Every day I see a cyclist breaking the laws of the road. Test them, issue licenses and tags for the bikes. Above all-equal enforcement of the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it as time to crack down on cyclists not drivers. Every day I see a cyclist breaking the laws of the road. Test them, issue licenses and tags for the bikes. Above all-equal enforcement of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674258</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two weeks ago in Cotati I was riding my bike when a motorist overtook and then signaled to turn right. Instead of taking the bike lane and completing his turn, he stopped in the road, apparently waiting for me to overtake him on the inside. Since this is both dangerous and illegal, I just stopped to wait for him to turn. He got very irate by this, as he must have been waiting for me to pass, and started shouting at me. I then passed on the outside and continued on, but instead of turning, he followed me with a squeal of tires and raced up along side me and proceeded to shout obscenities at me. I had to pull off the road as I was afraid of being hit.
When was the last time you were frightened for your safety from a cyclist? Motorists create a greater danger and have a higher responsibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two weeks ago in Cotati I was riding my bike when a motorist overtook and then signaled to turn right. Instead of taking the bike lane and completing his turn, he stopped in the road, apparently waiting for me to overtake him on the inside. Since this is both dangerous and illegal, I just stopped to wait for him to turn. He got very irate by this, as he must have been waiting for me to pass, and started shouting at me. I then passed on the outside and continued on, but instead of turning, he followed me with a squeal of tires and raced up along side me and proceeded to shout obscenities at me. I had to pull off the road as I was afraid of being hit.<br />
When was the last time you were frightened for your safety from a cyclist? Motorists create a greater danger and have a higher responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Zane Needs to Go</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674251</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane Needs to Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Classic Zane - Reactionary and narcissistic. Everything revolves around her. Tune in to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors and count how many times she diverts the conversation to talk about herself. When did public service become self service? What public good that is not already in law will be served?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic Zane &#8211; Reactionary and narcissistic. Everything revolves around her. Tune in to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors and count how many times she diverts the conversation to talk about herself. When did public service become self service? What public good that is not already in law will be served?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Angry</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-674201</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading the comments on this, it seems clear that a minority of haters are angry about the possibility that they will be prosecuted for their dangerous and childish actions behind the wheel. If you&#039;re not harassing cyclists, you&#039;ve got nothing to worry about. As for cyclists terrorizing you with incomplete stops at stop sign, get a therapist, you&#039;re emotionally unstable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments on this, it seems clear that a minority of haters are angry about the possibility that they will be prosecuted for their dangerous and childish actions behind the wheel. If you&#8217;re not harassing cyclists, you&#8217;ve got nothing to worry about. As for cyclists terrorizing you with incomplete stops at stop sign, get a therapist, you&#8217;re emotionally unstable.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty R</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-673449</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As few weeks ago I stepped outside of the office I work at and walked a few feet and almost got hit by someone riding his bike on the sidewalk…..thank god I jumped out of his way.   Then just the other day I saw some guy riding on the side walk……by the way the street has bike lanes on both sides…….why don’t they get a fine for doing that?  Is it going to take a bike rider running someone over or what? I see lots of bike riders who do not go by the laws, they run red lights then they get pissed off at you when you almost hit them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As few weeks ago I stepped outside of the office I work at and walked a few feet and almost got hit by someone riding his bike on the sidewalk…..thank god I jumped out of his way.   Then just the other day I saw some guy riding on the side walk……by the way the street has bike lanes on both sides…….why don’t they get a fine for doing that?  Is it going to take a bike rider running someone over or what? I see lots of bike riders who do not go by the laws, they run red lights then they get pissed off at you when you almost hit them.</p>
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		<title>By: Critic at Large</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-673200</link>
		<dc:creator>Critic at Large</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[County PC bored of stupervisors react again to a none problem.  If most of the bikers obeyed the traffic laws and didn&#039;t act stupid too many times. The problem incidents would be minimal.  

Too many in the spandex crowd, crowd the narrow roads and don&#039;t follow the rules of the road. 

Fairness and good sense need to used when adopting the rules the BOS believe need to be in place to protect the abused bikers.  This is a waste of legislative time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>County PC bored of stupervisors react again to a none problem.  If most of the bikers obeyed the traffic laws and didn&#8217;t act stupid too many times. The problem incidents would be minimal.  </p>
<p>Too many in the spandex crowd, crowd the narrow roads and don&#8217;t follow the rules of the road. </p>
<p>Fairness and good sense need to used when adopting the rules the BOS believe need to be in place to protect the abused bikers.  This is a waste of legislative time.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/county-set-to-study-cyclist-protections/#comment-673045</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it harrassment when cyclists flip you off when you drive into the oncoming to get around them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it harrassment when cyclists flip you off when you drive into the oncoming to get around them?</p>
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