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	<title>Comments on: Sonoma County Board of Supervisors look at stronger cyclist protection</title>
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		<title>By: David Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-708487</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple physics don&#039;t support bicycles and autos sharing roadways. Howmany people have to get hurt before that simple fact is recognized. And to throw Marajuana in this...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple physics don&#8217;t support bicycles and autos sharing roadways. Howmany people have to get hurt before that simple fact is recognized. And to throw Marajuana in this&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Que Sera</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-695165</link>
		<dc:creator>Que Sera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When are the supervisors going to study just who it was that gave public officials immunity from suit when it was never authorized by the people.  And believe me govt was about twice and more times more moral than they are today!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are the supervisors going to study just who it was that gave public officials immunity from suit when it was never authorized by the people.  And believe me govt was about twice and more times more moral than they are today!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-683600</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Pendergast

Here is an excerpt from the CA Drivers Handbook as posted on the DMV website:

&quot;Bicyclists may occupy the center of the lane when conditions such as a narrow lane or road hazard make it unsafe to ride in a position that may provide room for a vehicle to pass. With any slow-moving vehicle or bicycle, drivers should follow at a safe distance. When it is safe the bicyclists should move to a position that allows vehicles to pass. Remember, bicyclists are entitled to share the road with other drivers.

Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as vehicle and motorcycle drivers.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Pendergast</p>
<p>Here is an excerpt from the CA Drivers Handbook as posted on the DMV website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Bicyclists may occupy the center of the lane when conditions such as a narrow lane or road hazard make it unsafe to ride in a position that may provide room for a vehicle to pass. With any slow-moving vehicle or bicycle, drivers should follow at a safe distance. When it is safe the bicyclists should move to a position that allows vehicles to pass. Remember, bicyclists are entitled to share the road with other drivers.</p>
<p>Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as vehicle and motorcycle drivers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Snarky</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-682501</link>
		<dc:creator>Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Drummond:

As to your first comment, a civil lawsuit is entirely a separate matter than a criminal charge.

So, the elderly man who drove onto the golf course to chase a bike rider apparently has both issues now.

But just by reading the freakish, psycho comments posted here.. we can all see... there are seriously dangerous and demented folks around us who despise bike riders and cannot be trusted. Just look at their &quot;thumbs down&quot; to any suggestion that we jail them for their mental issues that result in harm of someone out on a bike. They see it as their &quot;right&quot; to not only verbally snivel about bike riders.. but they also seek to block any changes in law that might land them in jail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Drummond:</p>
<p>As to your first comment, a civil lawsuit is entirely a separate matter than a criminal charge.</p>
<p>So, the elderly man who drove onto the golf course to chase a bike rider apparently has both issues now.</p>
<p>But just by reading the freakish, psycho comments posted here.. we can all see&#8230; there are seriously dangerous and demented folks around us who despise bike riders and cannot be trusted. Just look at their &#8220;thumbs down&#8221; to any suggestion that we jail them for their mental issues that result in harm of someone out on a bike. They see it as their &#8220;right&#8221; to not only verbally snivel about bike riders.. but they also seek to block any changes in law that might land them in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: R. B. Fish</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-682236</link>
		<dc:creator>R. B. Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no problem with cyclists on the road provided they abide by the same laws car drivers have do and it&#039;s not over crowded. One of the big problems I see more and more are the kids riding around local streets that have no regard for following the rules. This applies expecially to younger kids 10-15. I&#039;ve had two close calls this year.

The rabid cyclist lobby that we need to share the road has many serious flaws. The roads, paid for by taxpayers are designed to accomodate motorized vehicles. Space tolerances are allowed between the center lines and shoulder lines. The driver is allowed to chage lanes under certain conditions usually at a higher speed. Incorporating a bicyle into that enivironment increases the risk of accidents possibly death to either party. By the government passing laws to allow bicyles into this matrix of moving vehicles and bicycles(namely to be Bike Friendly)is inviting a unrestricted exposure to liability.At the very least byclists should be registered with their own liability and comprehensive insurance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with cyclists on the road provided they abide by the same laws car drivers have do and it&#8217;s not over crowded. One of the big problems I see more and more are the kids riding around local streets that have no regard for following the rules. This applies expecially to younger kids 10-15. I&#8217;ve had two close calls this year.</p>
<p>The rabid cyclist lobby that we need to share the road has many serious flaws. The roads, paid for by taxpayers are designed to accomodate motorized vehicles. Space tolerances are allowed between the center lines and shoulder lines. The driver is allowed to chage lanes under certain conditions usually at a higher speed. Incorporating a bicyle into that enivironment increases the risk of accidents possibly death to either party. By the government passing laws to allow bicyles into this matrix of moving vehicles and bicycles(namely to be Bike Friendly)is inviting a unrestricted exposure to liability.At the very least byclists should be registered with their own liability and comprehensive insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: BigDogatPlay</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-679943</link>
		<dc:creator>BigDogatPlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we&#039;re going to pass more laws to make running into a bicyclist with a car more illegal than it already is. 

Mmmmmm-kay.

Laws do not protect people pre-emptively. Bicyclists are responsible for their own safety and obeying the rules of the road when they are on public streets. I ride recreationally quite often and I very scrupulously obey the rules of the road. Like a motorcyclist should, I ride defensively. If a car is going to tag me, the driver will have had to work at it enough that his/her negligence will be apparent and the criminal charge that results will be justified.

Passing more laws so that it looks like the politicians in question are &#039;concerned&#039;. Brilliant strategy that works every time on the empty headed dolts who vote these statist boneheads into office here in SoCo, election after election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re going to pass more laws to make running into a bicyclist with a car more illegal than it already is. </p>
<p>Mmmmmm-kay.</p>
<p>Laws do not protect people pre-emptively. Bicyclists are responsible for their own safety and obeying the rules of the road when they are on public streets. I ride recreationally quite often and I very scrupulously obey the rules of the road. Like a motorcyclist should, I ride defensively. If a car is going to tag me, the driver will have had to work at it enough that his/her negligence will be apparent and the criminal charge that results will be justified.</p>
<p>Passing more laws so that it looks like the politicians in question are &#8216;concerned&#8217;. Brilliant strategy that works every time on the empty headed dolts who vote these statist boneheads into office here in SoCo, election after election.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-678869</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tye die run amuck, the perfect storm is brewing
drivers texting
bicyclist riding side by side
Mary-J is legal

for the Lance Armstrong wannabe select roads wide enough
to avoid lawsuits the city, county should limit what roads cyclist can pedal there  off or at the very least have them take a safety test at DMV and as was suggested place a plate on the bike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tye die run amuck, the perfect storm is brewing<br />
drivers texting<br />
bicyclist riding side by side<br />
Mary-J is legal</p>
<p>for the Lance Armstrong wannabe select roads wide enough<br />
to avoid lawsuits the city, county should limit what roads cyclist can pedal there  off or at the very least have them take a safety test at DMV and as was suggested place a plate on the bike</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-677990</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Require license plates on bicycles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Require license plates on bicycles.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne V.</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-677916</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There does need to be increased litigation regarding the cycling/automobile confrontations on our inadequate roads. That increased litigation needs to involve the county.... who have deliberately caused the tension and increased propensity of serious accidents. Sonoma County has refused to alter, repair, and create new roads, despite the very obvious necessity to improve our roads over many decades. The county encouraged massive population growth... and has neglected the obvious need to simultaneously address transportation issues. This is a county of small communities that interconnect with small country roads, that were never designed for large volumes of cars. The roads are not even adequate for transportation purposes....let alone for the combination of transportation combined with recreational use for sports-bikers. (In Europe and other places where there are massive numbers of bikes... there are separate roads built for the use of the bikes. That is the only safe way to provide &quot;safe&quot; roads for lots of bicycles...there is no safe way to combine a road for bicycles along a  freeway or along the few roads available for vehicles to use. Those county supervisors and other officials need stop abdicating their responsibilities before many people get killed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There does need to be increased litigation regarding the cycling/automobile confrontations on our inadequate roads. That increased litigation needs to involve the county&#8230;. who have deliberately caused the tension and increased propensity of serious accidents. Sonoma County has refused to alter, repair, and create new roads, despite the very obvious necessity to improve our roads over many decades. The county encouraged massive population growth&#8230; and has neglected the obvious need to simultaneously address transportation issues. This is a county of small communities that interconnect with small country roads, that were never designed for large volumes of cars. The roads are not even adequate for transportation purposes&#8230;.let alone for the combination of transportation combined with recreational use for sports-bikers. (In Europe and other places where there are massive numbers of bikes&#8230; there are separate roads built for the use of the bikes. That is the only safe way to provide &#8220;safe&#8221; roads for lots of bicycles&#8230;there is no safe way to combine a road for bicycles along a  freeway or along the few roads available for vehicles to use. Those county supervisors and other officials need stop abdicating their responsibilities before many people get killed!</p>
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		<title>By: James Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BIKES GOOD...

CARS BAAAD.

Polarizing cyclists and motorists through civil engineering, social engineering and propaganda. 

All part of the Plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIKES GOOD&#8230;</p>
<p>CARS BAAAD.</p>
<p>Polarizing cyclists and motorists through civil engineering, social engineering and propaganda. </p>
<p>All part of the Plan.</p>
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		<title>By: m whitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>m whitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to be green and safer? Then wear a bright green CalTrans type vest. And give the driver a better chance of seeing you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to be green and safer? Then wear a bright green CalTrans type vest. And give the driver a better chance of seeing you.</p>
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		<title>By: hannnon sutro jr</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-677685</link>
		<dc:creator>hannnon sutro jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would support this, if the bicyclist had a big license plate on their rear, so that we could file complaints when they did stupid things which a lot of them do. Once that was done then the drivers could file complaints against them, we would then tie up the courts and the attorneys would make more money, our insurance rates would go up, we could put a few bicyclist in jail....everyone benefits.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would support this, if the bicyclist had a big license plate on their rear, so that we could file complaints when they did stupid things which a lot of them do. Once that was done then the drivers could file complaints against them, we would then tie up the courts and the attorneys would make more money, our insurance rates would go up, we could put a few bicyclist in jail&#8230;.everyone benefits&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Snarky</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-677643</link>
		<dc:creator>Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question for &quot;Over Easy&quot; :

Do cops &quot;police their own ranks&quot; ?

If you say, yes, then why do we see them routinely rolling through the stop signs in their private vehicles when off duty?

i.e. Ventura Ave &amp; Paulin, Santa Rosa, CA

NONE of those off duty cops are ever pulled over and cited by their co-workers.

NONE of the California Highway Patrol vehicles speeding along in the freeway fast lane ever receive citations by their co-workers despite violating State traffic laws by speeding without being dispatched and without lights and siren.

By the way, &quot;Over Easy,&quot; did you see the latest news? A 17 year career police officer was just arrested for MURDER in southern California. Yep. LA County Sheriff&#039;s Deputy.

I guess it takes a MURDER for cops to &quot;police&quot; their own ??

I posted this response once before but the Press Democrat deleted it. The usual response by a paper too closely linked to local government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for &#8220;Over Easy&#8221; :</p>
<p>Do cops &#8220;police their own ranks&#8221; ?</p>
<p>If you say, yes, then why do we see them routinely rolling through the stop signs in their private vehicles when off duty?</p>
<p>i.e. Ventura Ave &amp; Paulin, Santa Rosa, CA</p>
<p>NONE of those off duty cops are ever pulled over and cited by their co-workers.</p>
<p>NONE of the California Highway Patrol vehicles speeding along in the freeway fast lane ever receive citations by their co-workers despite violating State traffic laws by speeding without being dispatched and without lights and siren.</p>
<p>By the way, &#8220;Over Easy,&#8221; did you see the latest news? A 17 year career police officer was just arrested for MURDER in southern California. Yep. LA County Sheriff&#8217;s Deputy.</p>
<p>I guess it takes a MURDER for cops to &#8220;police&#8221; their own ??</p>
<p>I posted this response once before but the Press Democrat deleted it. The usual response by a paper too closely linked to local government.</p>
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		<title>By: Critic at Large</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-677386</link>
		<dc:creator>Critic at Large</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like all good progressives, the supervisors believe in passing laws and increasing fines to solve minimal issues. 

But what is the protection for the driver who is harassed by the bicyclists with unwelcome verbal or physical contact? What will be the penalty for the bicyclist who creates an unpleasant or hostile situation?

A cyclist harassment ordinance is a can of worms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all good progressives, the supervisors believe in passing laws and increasing fines to solve minimal issues. </p>
<p>But what is the protection for the driver who is harassed by the bicyclists with unwelcome verbal or physical contact? What will be the penalty for the bicyclist who creates an unpleasant or hostile situation?</p>
<p>A cyclist harassment ordinance is a can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pendergast</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-675965</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attention cyclists, you are not a car.  You have no business in the middle of a lane or on a busy country road with ditches on either side (Bennett Valley).  Although you are faster than the average Subaru driver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention cyclists, you are not a car.  You have no business in the middle of a lane or on a busy country road with ditches on either side (Bennett Valley).  Although you are faster than the average Subaru driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Over easy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-674981</link>
		<dc:creator>Over easy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cycling community need to police their own ranks. It is 5% of there ranks that act like jack asses and cause 100% of the problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cycling community need to police their own ranks. It is 5% of there ranks that act like jack asses and cause 100% of the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Drummond</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/11/county/sonoma-county-board-of-supervisors-look-at-stronger-cyclist-protection/#comment-674871</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not necessarily opposed to such an ordinance, but a couple questions come to mind I hope the study will address.  First, are the existing laws really inadequate?  The Oakmont idiot has been charged with attempted murder, ADW and hit and run.  I read in another article that Soltani has also filed a lawsuit against him.  What more would the proposed ordinance provide?  Second, and if it is determined the existing laws are inadequate, doesn&#039;t it make more sense to address this at the state level so we have uniformity and consistency throughout the state rather than a hodge podge of different laws that change at the county line?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily opposed to such an ordinance, but a couple questions come to mind I hope the study will address.  First, are the existing laws really inadequate?  The Oakmont idiot has been charged with attempted murder, ADW and hit and run.  I read in another article that Soltani has also filed a lawsuit against him.  What more would the proposed ordinance provide?  Second, and if it is determined the existing laws are inadequate, doesn&#8217;t it make more sense to address this at the state level so we have uniformity and consistency throughout the state rather than a hodge podge of different laws that change at the county line?</p>
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