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	<title>Comments on: Sonoma County employee perks pay off in retirement</title>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-273374</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the blustering outrage in the world won&#039;t stop the pension train from hurtling into the ravine.
Just keep cashing those retmt checks like they are never going to end.

I am reminded of the fellow to whom the ATM keeps spitting out cash w/o him earning it.
Then he gets all postal when the judge tells him to give it back.
This is all going to end very badly for Big Govt and the taxpaying saps that finance their excesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the blustering outrage in the world won&#8217;t stop the pension train from hurtling into the ravine.<br />
Just keep cashing those retmt checks like they are never going to end.</p>
<p>I am reminded of the fellow to whom the ATM keeps spitting out cash w/o him earning it.<br />
Then he gets all postal when the judge tells him to give it back.<br />
This is all going to end very badly for Big Govt and the taxpaying saps that finance their excesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Union Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-271580</link>
		<dc:creator>Union Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 05:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can declae BK when you are NOT. Sonoma County has a balanced budget this year. You can&#039;t claim that something will BK you in 10 years and declare now. It does not work that way. All because you like it does not give you the option to declare BK and walk away. Like it or not, Sonoma County CAN afford it for now. The fix is in the works and changes are being made. Cool off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can declae BK when you are NOT. Sonoma County has a balanced budget this year. You can&#8217;t claim that something will BK you in 10 years and declare now. It does not work that way. All because you like it does not give you the option to declare BK and walk away. Like it or not, Sonoma County CAN afford it for now. The fix is in the works and changes are being made. Cool off.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen hann</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-269625</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen hann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is insane, why doesn&#039;t the County just file for bankruptcy, perhaps a federal judge, with no personal stake in the outcome, will void these unconscionable and unsustainable practices.
All of us who were criticized 10 years ago when we predicted governor gray davis&#039; attempt to keep his governorship by giving the unions excessive benefits have would lead to financial chaos were, sadly correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is insane, why doesn&#8217;t the County just file for bankruptcy, perhaps a federal judge, with no personal stake in the outcome, will void these unconscionable and unsustainable practices.<br />
All of us who were criticized 10 years ago when we predicted governor gray davis&#8217; attempt to keep his governorship by giving the unions excessive benefits have would lead to financial chaos were, sadly correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Union Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-268804</link>
		<dc:creator>Union Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,
A Deputy with 30 plus years on has a base salary of $92000. Not $51000. You named him in an earlier post. He got motorcycle hazard pay, bi-lingual pay and cashed in some sick time and vacation he did not use his last year. Each specialty is worth at least 5% except bi-lingual, it is only worth 92 cents an hour to the county so most dont put in for it. 

I won&#039;t spend a lot of time educating you, it is all on the county website, dig in. But watch out, you may trip on the facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
A Deputy with 30 plus years on has a base salary of $92000. Not $51000. You named him in an earlier post. He got motorcycle hazard pay, bi-lingual pay and cashed in some sick time and vacation he did not use his last year. Each specialty is worth at least 5% except bi-lingual, it is only worth 92 cents an hour to the county so most dont put in for it. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t spend a lot of time educating you, it is all on the county website, dig in. But watch out, you may trip on the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-268298</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is an example of the real problem from data in the Press Demo’s database:
A person retired last year from a Deputy Sheriff job in Sonoma County. His last year base pay was $51,616.14. He also was paid $19,983.73 in Overtime and $50,690.15 in “Other Pay”. He is now receiving an annual pension of $117,996 per year. *More than double base pay!*
He worked a 33.15 year career and was paid a total of about $1.48 million over his career in base and OT pay. If he lives to 80 and is around 50 now, then he will receive $5.6 million in retirement pay, not including medical benefits. Contribution to the retirement plan will not cover this!
Who in the private sector will receive four times more in retirement than during their entire paid career? Taxpayers are on the hook to make up for SCERA and CALPERS obvious inability to fund such exorbitantly generous pensions!
The only solution is defined contributions – where we pay an agreed amount into a retirement fund for workers and they draw from that plus any investment gains the plan produces. That way taxpayer’s don’t face this black hole of funding the shortfall in defined benefit plans society can’t possibly afford!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an example of the real problem from data in the Press Demo’s database:<br />
A person retired last year from a Deputy Sheriff job in Sonoma County. His last year base pay was $51,616.14. He also was paid $19,983.73 in Overtime and $50,690.15 in “Other Pay”. He is now receiving an annual pension of $117,996 per year. *More than double base pay!*<br />
He worked a 33.15 year career and was paid a total of about $1.48 million over his career in base and OT pay. If he lives to 80 and is around 50 now, then he will receive $5.6 million in retirement pay, not including medical benefits. Contribution to the retirement plan will not cover this!<br />
Who in the private sector will receive four times more in retirement than during their entire paid career? Taxpayers are on the hook to make up for SCERA and CALPERS obvious inability to fund such exorbitantly generous pensions!<br />
The only solution is defined contributions – where we pay an agreed amount into a retirement fund for workers and they draw from that plus any investment gains the plan produces. That way taxpayer’s don’t face this black hole of funding the shortfall in defined benefit plans society can’t possibly afford!</p>
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		<title>By: jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-266137</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we county employees who do the actual work, are the ones who keep getting cut, while the higher ups, somehow miss each and every cut. we get our hours cut, we get laid off, we have to do the work that our cut coworkers used to do, doing several people&#039;s jobs, in less time and for less money. we have managers who are getting all the perks, car bonuses of $7,000 a year, deferred comp -money put into their account not contributed by them but by the county, the BOS keep getting raises, while we haven&#039;t had a cost of living increase in years, we have managers managing NO ONE, or one employee, or two employees. the higher ups have been running free and getting away with all kinds of unsustainable behavior that is causing this unsustainability, and who is blamed? not them, no, us the people doing the actual work. helloooooo....get the statistics, how many of us FULL TIME employees have kids who are uninsured, who get help when they&#039;re sick at the free clinic, who are on Medi-Cal and Healthy Families. doesn&#039;t the fact that we qualify income-wise for gov&#039;t health insurance say something? do you honestly believe we are ALL living the good life? c&#039;mon get real
there is a VAST DIFFERENCE, a HUGE GAP between the haves and the have nots
and that&#039;s all the union is trying to fix
they aren&#039;t greedy pigs
they see taht we are scared, we are scared to add our names to these comments, we are scared of the ever looming cuts upon cuts upon cuts, we are scared we are going to be laid off next-all the while watching our &quot;superiors&quot; wasting tax payer money, making foolish choices that we never had a say in, and sitting back without a care in the world. tax payers deserve better than this. schools are getting cut emergency services are getting cut, roads aren&#039;t being fixed-while they live luxuriously and LOVE THE FACT that the public opinion is that we all are contributing to this mess....NOT! but we&#039;re scared to give details, don&#039;t follow the smoke and mirrors, don&#039;t believe the hype-think for yourself, read between the lines, we didn&#039;t cause this mess.
We go to work everyday, we work hard, we are being screwed here, we are your neighbors, our kids go to your schools, we are the ones helping you when you call for services. please know the truth, please stop this crazy villagers with torches aflame out to get all the public employees. 
we just want to be able to afford health insurance for our kids, we have been cut and cut and cut, all we are asking is that it&#039;s fair. it&#039;s not fair that they skipped out on every cut, pay, hours, getting laid off. and they want to cut us more and we are finally saying enough is enough! 
hear us!
we can&#039;t get cut anymore!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we county employees who do the actual work, are the ones who keep getting cut, while the higher ups, somehow miss each and every cut. we get our hours cut, we get laid off, we have to do the work that our cut coworkers used to do, doing several people&#8217;s jobs, in less time and for less money. we have managers who are getting all the perks, car bonuses of $7,000 a year, deferred comp -money put into their account not contributed by them but by the county, the BOS keep getting raises, while we haven&#8217;t had a cost of living increase in years, we have managers managing NO ONE, or one employee, or two employees. the higher ups have been running free and getting away with all kinds of unsustainable behavior that is causing this unsustainability, and who is blamed? not them, no, us the people doing the actual work. helloooooo&#8230;.get the statistics, how many of us FULL TIME employees have kids who are uninsured, who get help when they&#8217;re sick at the free clinic, who are on Medi-Cal and Healthy Families. doesn&#8217;t the fact that we qualify income-wise for gov&#8217;t health insurance say something? do you honestly believe we are ALL living the good life? c&#8217;mon get real<br />
there is a VAST DIFFERENCE, a HUGE GAP between the haves and the have nots<br />
and that&#8217;s all the union is trying to fix<br />
they aren&#8217;t greedy pigs<br />
they see taht we are scared, we are scared to add our names to these comments, we are scared of the ever looming cuts upon cuts upon cuts, we are scared we are going to be laid off next-all the while watching our &#8220;superiors&#8221; wasting tax payer money, making foolish choices that we never had a say in, and sitting back without a care in the world. tax payers deserve better than this. schools are getting cut emergency services are getting cut, roads aren&#8217;t being fixed-while they live luxuriously and LOVE THE FACT that the public opinion is that we all are contributing to this mess&#8230;.NOT! but we&#8217;re scared to give details, don&#8217;t follow the smoke and mirrors, don&#8217;t believe the hype-think for yourself, read between the lines, we didn&#8217;t cause this mess.<br />
We go to work everyday, we work hard, we are being screwed here, we are your neighbors, our kids go to your schools, we are the ones helping you when you call for services. please know the truth, please stop this crazy villagers with torches aflame out to get all the public employees.<br />
we just want to be able to afford health insurance for our kids, we have been cut and cut and cut, all we are asking is that it&#8217;s fair. it&#8217;s not fair that they skipped out on every cut, pay, hours, getting laid off. and they want to cut us more and we are finally saying enough is enough!<br />
hear us!<br />
we can&#8217;t get cut anymore!</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Peach</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-265491</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Peach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jim

&quot;The last decade has seen a rate of return on the fund’s assets of 1.6%. They STILL expect over 7.75%. Look at CalPERS. They STILL expect a 7.75% return annually when they realize a 1% return.&quot;

Jim, if you, unfamiliar with the concept of averages as you are, are an auditor, then I am an astronaut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim</p>
<p>&#8220;The last decade has seen a rate of return on the fund’s assets of 1.6%. They STILL expect over 7.75%. Look at CalPERS. They STILL expect a 7.75% return annually when they realize a 1% return.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jim, if you, unfamiliar with the concept of averages as you are, are an auditor, then I am an astronaut.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-265476</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jim

&quot;Look at the state – $500+ BILLION unfunded, while the state continues to run a budget deficit.&quot;

Baloney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at the state – $500+ BILLION unfunded, while the state continues to run a budget deficit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Baloney.</p>
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		<title>By: MOCKINGBIRD</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-265436</link>
		<dc:creator>MOCKINGBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill Sullivan-I wish that the BOS were puppets of SEIU.  If that were the case then managers would be losing their jobs right now and had their perks taken away from them back in 2008/2009 when SEIU rank and file were being laid off in droves by management decision and BOS approval.  Also, contracting out of rank and file jobs wouldn&#039;t be happening and SEIU employees wouldn&#039;t be receiving pink slips RIGHT NOW.  Shirley personally told me when I was working on her 1st campaign that she didn&#039;t believe in contracting out county jobs and would work on raising the manager to rank and file ratio.  She&#039;s done just the opposite. Efren has always been a fan of contracting out and so has Valerie. 

So get a clue will you.  SEIU IS NOT THE PROBLEM, MANAGEMENT IS and they aren&#039;t union.  We need MORE rank and file and fewer high paid, high perk managers.  

One department who is doing a excellent job is Family Support.  They reorganized and have few managers to rank and file employees (the highest ratio in the county).  Because of this, they have creative, experienced workers pulling in all kinds of money.  Compare Family Support to DHS that has a very low management to rank and file ratio with lots of contracting out and you can see the difference in cost to the tax payers.  All the departments need to be reorganized to match Family Support to improve and maintain services to the community and CUT COSTS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Sullivan-I wish that the BOS were puppets of SEIU.  If that were the case then managers would be losing their jobs right now and had their perks taken away from them back in 2008/2009 when SEIU rank and file were being laid off in droves by management decision and BOS approval.  Also, contracting out of rank and file jobs wouldn&#8217;t be happening and SEIU employees wouldn&#8217;t be receiving pink slips RIGHT NOW.  Shirley personally told me when I was working on her 1st campaign that she didn&#8217;t believe in contracting out county jobs and would work on raising the manager to rank and file ratio.  She&#8217;s done just the opposite. Efren has always been a fan of contracting out and so has Valerie. </p>
<p>So get a clue will you.  SEIU IS NOT THE PROBLEM, MANAGEMENT IS and they aren&#8217;t union.  We need MORE rank and file and fewer high paid, high perk managers.  </p>
<p>One department who is doing a excellent job is Family Support.  They reorganized and have few managers to rank and file employees (the highest ratio in the county).  Because of this, they have creative, experienced workers pulling in all kinds of money.  Compare Family Support to DHS that has a very low management to rank and file ratio with lots of contracting out and you can see the difference in cost to the tax payers.  All the departments need to be reorganized to match Family Support to improve and maintain services to the community and CUT COSTS.</p>
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		<title>By: MOCKINGBIRD</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-265396</link>
		<dc:creator>MOCKINGBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GAJ- the lowest paid with the fewest benefits are the inhome support workers.  They do a magnificent job which keeps people in their homes instead of being institutionalized which costs in the thousands of dollars a month. They are SEIU and SEIU fights for them.   They deserve better, yet they are the first to be cut by the state. Glad you understand this.  I agree about the safety employees.  Please remember (I don&#039;t know what district you are in) that Sawyer has already been endorsed by the county safety unions and you know why.  SEIU has endorsed Gorin because we know she will be fair and unbiased.  However, not much money that SEIU can give to her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAJ- the lowest paid with the fewest benefits are the inhome support workers.  They do a magnificent job which keeps people in their homes instead of being institutionalized which costs in the thousands of dollars a month. They are SEIU and SEIU fights for them.   They deserve better, yet they are the first to be cut by the state. Glad you understand this.  I agree about the safety employees.  Please remember (I don&#8217;t know what district you are in) that Sawyer has already been endorsed by the county safety unions and you know why.  SEIU has endorsed Gorin because we know she will be fair and unbiased.  However, not much money that SEIU can give to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-265308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of this blathering by the county Board of Supervisors about &quot;pension reform&quot; will come to nothing given the fact they all have a very vested interest in the current pension and pay scheme.

In addition, SEIU and the other public unions financed their campaigns and got out the votes to elect them.  So these puppets are moved by the hands of SEIU. 

That is why all of this smoke and mirror talk about county pension reform is just talk. The Board said as much when they voted 5-0 to do something and then turned around and said, all of this is subject to negotiations.  So we know where that is going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this blathering by the county Board of Supervisors about &#8220;pension reform&#8221; will come to nothing given the fact they all have a very vested interest in the current pension and pay scheme.</p>
<p>In addition, SEIU and the other public unions financed their campaigns and got out the votes to elect them.  So these puppets are moved by the hands of SEIU. </p>
<p>That is why all of this smoke and mirror talk about county pension reform is just talk. The Board said as much when they voted 5-0 to do something and then turned around and said, all of this is subject to negotiations.  So we know where that is going.</p>
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		<title>By: Union Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264883</link>
		<dc:creator>Union Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim is misinformed but wont admit it. 
He audits pension funds and doenst know the right numbers? 1.6% for SCERA for 10 years? Really? I wont even correct that and do your work for you. Healthcare pension debt? Seriously? Sonoma County ended that in 2007 and flat rated it. Nothing unfunded in healthcare, known hard numbers.  They are available for all who seek facts, not little internet factoids that paint th slant. 

Good luck with the union banning thing. Start with the 1st Ammendment and go from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim is misinformed but wont admit it.<br />
He audits pension funds and doenst know the right numbers? 1.6% for SCERA for 10 years? Really? I wont even correct that and do your work for you. Healthcare pension debt? Seriously? Sonoma County ended that in 2007 and flat rated it. Nothing unfunded in healthcare, known hard numbers.  They are available for all who seek facts, not little internet factoids that paint th slant. </p>
<p>Good luck with the union banning thing. Start with the 1st Ammendment and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264716</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brett is doing a fabulous job exposing the out of touch Board and Administration to the Public.  The system is complex and ripe for abuse.  Jo Weber and Randy Poole also have reciprocity with other pension systems so the check they get from SCERA is only a small part of their full taxpayer funded retirement. Ms. Weber&#039;s primary retirement would come from Riverside County where she spent the bulk of her career.  To get the full picture you would need to find out how much her taxpayer funded retirement is from both Counties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett is doing a fabulous job exposing the out of touch Board and Administration to the Public.  The system is complex and ripe for abuse.  Jo Weber and Randy Poole also have reciprocity with other pension systems so the check they get from SCERA is only a small part of their full taxpayer funded retirement. Ms. Weber&#8217;s primary retirement would come from Riverside County where she spent the bulk of her career.  To get the full picture you would need to find out how much her taxpayer funded retirement is from both Counties.</p>
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		<title>By: JUSTAoldDude</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264584</link>
		<dc:creator>JUSTAoldDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom and Lisa....you are both right in some important ways....and I can add another thing that you may agree upon...

For starters, Lisa is correct that department heads&#039; salaries were raised faster than rank and file, way faster. The reason for this is the &quot;recruit the best and brightest&quot; excuse, pulling more from outside the county than inside the county. The population of DH&#039;s became transient (more on that later).

Tom is right in that the entire groups&#039; pensions went up, due in part at least, and a big part at that, to medical benefits of $7,000 per year that are &quot;pensionable.&quot; (Tom, Lisa will remind us, correctly, that the contract calling for those benefits was opposed by 1021, and imposed by the BOS).

Now get this...the reason transient leaders push so hard for salary over stabililty, and are eager to trade other benefits, like medical, for pay is that their Sonoma County pay becomes the basis for their prior jobs&#039; penssion pay outs. 

They will never make a &quot;Sonoma list&quot; because they will collect many pensions. But, those pensions will be based on their highest pay, and that&#039;s what they are after.

BTW...most DHs had almost nothing to do with setting their salaries; HR and CAO make recommendations to the BOS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom and Lisa&#8230;.you are both right in some important ways&#8230;.and I can add another thing that you may agree upon&#8230;</p>
<p>For starters, Lisa is correct that department heads&#8217; salaries were raised faster than rank and file, way faster. The reason for this is the &#8220;recruit the best and brightest&#8221; excuse, pulling more from outside the county than inside the county. The population of DH&#8217;s became transient (more on that later).</p>
<p>Tom is right in that the entire groups&#8217; pensions went up, due in part at least, and a big part at that, to medical benefits of $7,000 per year that are &#8220;pensionable.&#8221; (Tom, Lisa will remind us, correctly, that the contract calling for those benefits was opposed by 1021, and imposed by the BOS).</p>
<p>Now get this&#8230;the reason transient leaders push so hard for salary over stabililty, and are eager to trade other benefits, like medical, for pay is that their Sonoma County pay becomes the basis for their prior jobs&#8217; penssion pay outs. </p>
<p>They will never make a &#8220;Sonoma list&#8221; because they will collect many pensions. But, those pensions will be based on their highest pay, and that&#8217;s what they are after.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;most DHs had almost nothing to do with setting their salaries; HR and CAO make recommendations to the BOS.</p>
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		<title>By: MOCKINGBIRD</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264532</link>
		<dc:creator>MOCKINGBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom Lynch-you don&#039;t say ONE WORD about the rank and file to managers ratio of less than 6:1.  The county has ADDED managers since those numbers were calculated by SEIU from last year&#039;s numbers. They are continuing to add managers. You mention the loss of rank and file jobs.  Just where do you think that money went? Some was saved the rest went to managers that replaced those rank and file jobs.  Listen to Lisa M.-she says it right.  We need more rank and file UNION people on the frontline to provide services to the community.  We need all departments to be reorganized to function better for the community-NOT KEEP ADDING MANAGERS who don&#039;t provide the direct services the public needs. We need more rank and file to be ready to go when there is a disaster-not more high paid managers.

When people walk into the permit office to get their permits, they need rank and file to facilitate services quickly.  When a disaster hits, we need more Public Health nurses ready and able to go out in the community to make sure people stay healthy, more road crews to repair the streets, more safety employees to protect the people and so on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Lynch-you don&#8217;t say ONE WORD about the rank and file to managers ratio of less than 6:1.  The county has ADDED managers since those numbers were calculated by SEIU from last year&#8217;s numbers. They are continuing to add managers. You mention the loss of rank and file jobs.  Just where do you think that money went? Some was saved the rest went to managers that replaced those rank and file jobs.  Listen to Lisa M.-she says it right.  We need more rank and file UNION people on the frontline to provide services to the community.  We need all departments to be reorganized to function better for the community-NOT KEEP ADDING MANAGERS who don&#8217;t provide the direct services the public needs. We need more rank and file to be ready to go when there is a disaster-not more high paid managers.</p>
<p>When people walk into the permit office to get their permits, they need rank and file to facilitate services quickly.  When a disaster hits, we need more Public Health nurses ready and able to go out in the community to make sure people stay healthy, more road crews to repair the streets, more safety employees to protect the people and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: GAJ</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264488</link>
		<dc:creator>GAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, I sympathize with the members of SEIU...my daughter was a member (in home care) and my very good friend&#039;s wife is a current member, (a facility that takes care of abandoned, neglected or abused children).

To say that their work was demanding and their pay low and their benefits were meager would be an understatement.

But, you make a mistake in implying rank and file are all in the same boat.

Rank and file in Public Safety make, on average, and I&#039;m guessing here, about 3 times what the average SEIU member earns in government and their benefits are at least 3 times more generous.

All rank and file are not equal.

Public Safety is eating SEIU&#039;s lunch and causing their members to be held down and or laid off.

The managers, supervisors and directors are complicit in all of this, and, as you imply, benefit far beyond anything that could be called rational and sustainable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I sympathize with the members of SEIU&#8230;my daughter was a member (in home care) and my very good friend&#8217;s wife is a current member, (a facility that takes care of abandoned, neglected or abused children).</p>
<p>To say that their work was demanding and their pay low and their benefits were meager would be an understatement.</p>
<p>But, you make a mistake in implying rank and file are all in the same boat.</p>
<p>Rank and file in Public Safety make, on average, and I&#8217;m guessing here, about 3 times what the average SEIU member earns in government and their benefits are at least 3 times more generous.</p>
<p>All rank and file are not equal.</p>
<p>Public Safety is eating SEIU&#8217;s lunch and causing their members to be held down and or laid off.</p>
<p>The managers, supervisors and directors are complicit in all of this, and, as you imply, benefit far beyond anything that could be called rational and sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264389</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the whole &quot;management&quot; vs &quot;rank and file&quot; discussion meaningless.  The facts show that the promises are far beyond what can be delivered. And the deficit keeps growing year after year with more and more people being hired under the same system.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether the pension is $20,000/year or $100,000/year. The bottom line is that the system is bankrupt. Period. When the well is dry, it doesn&#039;t matter whether you are trying to get a gallon of water or a glass of water...there&#039;s no freaking water!

The public employee pension system is bankrupt at every level. Look at the state - $500+ BILLION unfunded, while the state continues to run a budget deficit. The county (already provided the figures in a previous post) is broke. Cities are broke, with some declaring bankruptcy (many more are going to). The numbers are the numbers. The dopey taxpayers who keep electing the same people will end up footing the bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole &#8220;management&#8221; vs &#8220;rank and file&#8221; discussion meaningless.  The facts show that the promises are far beyond what can be delivered. And the deficit keeps growing year after year with more and more people being hired under the same system.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether the pension is $20,000/year or $100,000/year. The bottom line is that the system is bankrupt. Period. When the well is dry, it doesn&#8217;t matter whether you are trying to get a gallon of water or a glass of water&#8230;there&#8217;s no freaking water!</p>
<p>The public employee pension system is bankrupt at every level. Look at the state &#8211; $500+ BILLION unfunded, while the state continues to run a budget deficit. The county (already provided the figures in a previous post) is broke. Cities are broke, with some declaring bankruptcy (many more are going to). The numbers are the numbers. The dopey taxpayers who keep electing the same people will end up footing the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264379</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Bird,
I KNOW IT SEEMS EFFECTIVE FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE SCREEN, BUT WRITING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR POSTS MORE IMPORTANT.

Of course, shouting down your opponent is SOP for union thugs and collectivists.
But I repeat myself.

Here is an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXPIBsxdk0
· Here is the Left in 1999 in the &quot;Battle of Seattle&quot; trashing the city during the meeting of the World Trade Organization. Notice the guy in the mustache at 38 seconds in? That&#039;s the current president (and then treasurer) of the United Steelworkers union, Leo Gerard. Gerard is now an Obama appointee to an advisory post in the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative. Really. Mr. Gerard was spotted in Seattle (he is said to have brought 1,400 other union members with him) helping to move concrete barricades to obstruct the Seattle police in their futile attempt to keep the peace. Some $20 million in damage was done to the city by rioting Leftists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Bird,<br />
I KNOW IT SEEMS EFFECTIVE FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE SCREEN, BUT WRITING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR POSTS MORE IMPORTANT.</p>
<p>Of course, shouting down your opponent is SOP for union thugs and collectivists.<br />
But I repeat myself.</p>
<p>Here is an example:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXPIBsxdk0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXPIBsxdk0</a><br />
· Here is the Left in 1999 in the &#8220;Battle of Seattle&#8221; trashing the city during the meeting of the World Trade Organization. Notice the guy in the mustache at 38 seconds in? That&#8217;s the current president (and then treasurer) of the United Steelworkers union, Leo Gerard. Gerard is now an Obama appointee to an advisory post in the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative. Really. Mr. Gerard was spotted in Seattle (he is said to have brought 1,400 other union members with him) helping to move concrete barricades to obstruct the Seattle police in their futile attempt to keep the peace. Some $20 million in damage was done to the city by rioting Leftists.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Maldonado</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264348</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Maldonado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tom Lynch My problem with the PD is not the fact that they are reporting on the pension issue. It&#039;s that they omit the important distinction between management and directors and rank and file line staff. In doing this they write all these headline about public &quot;employees&quot; and their unions making huge &quot;perks&quot; and &quot;excessive pensions&quot; but neglect to mention that the ranks of those with 6 figure pensions and deferred comp are almost entirely Supervisors, Fire and Police Captains and  Managers and Directors, WHO ARE MANAGEMENT. This framing of the issue as one of &quot;greedy unions&quot; and unions who &quot;hire&quot; their bosses is patently untrue and in fact, union workers have given back raises and taken umpaid furloughs while the County continues to hire managers at inflated salaries.
I appreciate your offer to &quot;educate&#039; me, but I really don&#039;t see how you are in any way an &quot;expert&quot; on pensions and taxes and feel yourself qualified to take others to task on these issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom Lynch My problem with the PD is not the fact that they are reporting on the pension issue. It&#8217;s that they omit the important distinction between management and directors and rank and file line staff. In doing this they write all these headline about public &#8220;employees&#8221; and their unions making huge &#8220;perks&#8221; and &#8220;excessive pensions&#8221; but neglect to mention that the ranks of those with 6 figure pensions and deferred comp are almost entirely Supervisors, Fire and Police Captains and  Managers and Directors, WHO ARE MANAGEMENT. This framing of the issue as one of &#8220;greedy unions&#8221; and unions who &#8220;hire&#8221; their bosses is patently untrue and in fact, union workers have given back raises and taken umpaid furloughs while the County continues to hire managers at inflated salaries.<br />
I appreciate your offer to &#8220;educate&#8217; me, but I really don&#8217;t see how you are in any way an &#8220;expert&#8221; on pensions and taxes and feel yourself qualified to take others to task on these issues.</p>
<p> <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-264348" src="http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/3_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('264348', 'add', 'www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '3_20_');" title="Thumbs up" /> <span id="karma-264348-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-264348" src="http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/3_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('264348', 'subtract', 'www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '3_20_')" title="Thumbs down" /> <span id="karma-264348-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">32</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GAJ</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/08/county/sonoma-county-employee-perks-pay-off-in-retirement/#comment-264313</link>
		<dc:creator>GAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, you&#039;re exactly right.

How a pension system can be considered sustainable when contributions per employee are based on average pay during a career but the payout is based on highest years&#039; pay is beyond me...even with 7.5% &quot;expected&quot; annual returns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you&#8217;re exactly right.</p>
<p>How a pension system can be considered sustainable when contributions per employee are based on average pay during a career but the payout is based on highest years&#8217; pay is beyond me&#8230;even with 7.5% &#8220;expected&#8221; annual returns.</p>
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