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Supes back fluoride study; criticism called ‘off the charts’

By BRETT WILKISON
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

A move to add fluoride to most of Sonoma County’s drinking water to improve dental health received a significant boost Tuesday from the Board of Supervisors.

The board’s unanimous decision backing further study of a practice common across the country and recommended by leading national and international health agencies still provoked emotional protests from some speakers.

They proclaimed fluoride a health danger and decried government tinkering with the water supply, comments that drew unusually sharp rebukes from two supervisors.

“While I respect everyone’s right to free speech, the hyperbole shared today was off the charts. Off the charts,” Supervisor Mike McGuire said.

His response came after several speakers alluded to fluoride’s addition to water systems in Europe last century, a move that one speaker said was used for “mass mind control” by totalitarian regimes in Germany and the Soviet Union.

Another called fluoride a “witches’ brew of pollutants” in the U.S. water system.

“You don’t improve the health of children by giving them poison,” said Deborah Tavares, a frequent board critic active in property rights issues.

McGuire called the claims “scare tactics” and the theories “an absolute insult” to a proposed initiative aimed at combating an epidemic of dental decay.

Supervisor David Rabbitt linked the comments to arguments put forward by opponents of vaccines.

“Vaccines, fluoride. They’re not poison,” he said. “I sit up here and I’m bewildered because as a society we’re now living longer than ever, thanks to those vaccines, thanks to fluoride for our teeth. That’s a fact.”

The protests came from 10 speakers, some of them regular board critics and others who have rallied around property rights and against land-use planning efforts.

They turned a largely procedural update about an ongoing county oral health initiative into a battleground over science and a forum for theories about fluoride’s worth.

The compound has been introduced in small amounts into the U.S. drinking supply since 1945 to improve dental health.

The practice has been backed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Surgeon General, the World Health Organization and the American Dental Association, which called water fluoridation “the single most effective public health measure to prevent dental decay.”

Today, 72.4 percent of the nation’s population — or about 196 million people — served by public water systems are receiving fluoridated water.

In Sonoma County, the only fluoridated water is delivered to residents of Healdsburg and the adjacent Fitch Mountain area.

For several years the county has been studying the addition of fluoride for nearly three quarters of the county, including 350,000 residents served by the Sonoma County Water Agency in Windsor, Santa Rosa, Rohnert Park, Cotati, Petaluma, Sonoma and the Valley of the Moon.

Supervisors signaled Tuesday they consider that move an imperative to deal with what they described as a growing teeth care crisis, especially among lower-income families.

A 2009 county survey found that 52 percent of Sonoma County third-graders had a history of dental decay, exceeding the state average.

The same study found that low-income kindergartners and third-graders had more than twice the level of untreated decay (21 percent versus 9 percent) as more affluent children. Nearly 7 percent of the children were found to be in need of “urgent” care.

“It is absolutely essential that we do something that changes this picture,” Supervisor Valerie Brown said.

The county has pushed for expanded dental care access, including mobile units targeting lower income populations. But adding fluoride to the water supply is seen as a single measure that could have the widest benefits.

Pam Chanter and Pedro Toledo, two members of the county’s oral health task force, urged the board to endorse further study of the move Tuesday.

County officials said additional work is needed to evaluate the cost of fluoridation. Officials said no estimate is currently available, though they pointed to an average maintenance-cost figure in areas of large population of roughly 50 cents per person per year.

Further study is also meant to incorporate a recent federal reduction in the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water from 0.9 parts per million to 0.7 parts per million. The change was meant to address concerns about fluorosis, a rare condition in the United State caused when someone consumes too much fluoride, possibly resulting in staining and pitting of the tooth surface.

Dr. Mark Netherda, the county’s interim health officer, said fluorosis is more often seen in the developing world, where naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water can exceed 4 parts per million, or nearly six times the level recommended by U.S. officials.

In his comments, Netherda also sought to reinforce the the scientific consensus about benefits provided by adding fluoride to drinking water.

“I don’t think there is any doubt that fluoridating the water system has improved the health of those who receive that water,” he said.

You can reach Staff Writer Brett Wilkison at 521-5295 or brett.wilkison@pressdemocrat.com.





53 Responses to “Supes back fluoride study; criticism called ‘off the charts’”

  1. john says:

    this is pure evil pushed on by paid-off scum bag politicos sitting on those stupid chairs trying to down cry an intelligent public who doesn’t want anything to do with the board of losers evil.

    NO FLUORIDE, IN OUR GOD DAMNED WATER!!!!
    WE DONT WANT IT!!

  2. Kathy Cia White says:

    Check out this video!!! Fluoride is not good for us!! Sonoma County Supes…..do not fluoridate our drinking water: http://www.fluoridealert.org/fan-tv/dr-whyte/

  3. the komen deception says:

    Those who continue to state that the artificial fluoridation of drinking water is good for humans and other living organisms on earth, are telling outright lies. Today’s research has shown the opposite to be the truth. Sodium fluoride, which is added to our water, is damaging in so many ways, but, unfortunately, many have been brainwashed to believe the practice to be completely safe. The effect is that governments and authorities gladly poison themselves plus the general population. Unless they’re clever enough to use only bottled water without fluoride or use reverse osmosis. The legal limit of Sodium fluoride to be added may be 1 ppm, (parts per million), but accidents do happen. There have been instances in some countries whereby the population had to ingest much larger concentrations and this by mistake when the water treatment plant were unable to control the dosage. Please Note: One teaspoon of this poison can kill an adult!

    The Sodium fluoride added to drinking water is contaminated by toxic waste. When drinking this water, you may ingest such poisons as Cadmium, Mercury, Arsenic, Lead and Radioactive Materials. With the necessary cleaning process, to make our water “safe”, Solvents, Chlorine Gas and more may be added. All in all, drinking water in many countries is not safe.

    We are fortunate that there is an extensive amount of documents, statistics, professional statements from many areas in medicine, chemistry and so on. They can be found all over the Internet. The professionals together with the many organisations state the obvious – fluoridation of drinking water will poison babies, children, women and men. Because of the evidence, any sane person would expect governments and authorities to be persuaded to stop the madness. But, no, the people in charge seem to dance to a totally different tune.

  4. the komen deception says:

    Recently declassified government documents have shed new light on the decades-old debate over the fluoridation of drinking water, and have added to a growing body of scientific evidence concerning the health effects of fluoride. Much of the original evidence about fluoride, which suggested it was safe for human consumption in low doses, was actually generated by “Manhattan Project” scientists in the 1940s. As it turns out, these officials were ordered by government powers to provide information that would be “useful in litigation” and that would obfuscate its improper handling and disposal. The once top-secret documents, say the authors, reveal that vast quantities of fluoride, one of the most toxic substances known, were required for the production of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium. As a result, fluoride soon became the leading health hazard to bomb program workers and surrounding communities.

    Studies commissioned after chemical mishaps by the medical division of the “Manhattan Project” document highly controversial findings. For instance, toxic accidents in the vicinity of fluoride-producing facilities like the one near Lower Penns Neck, New Jersey, left crops poisoned or blighted, and humans and livestock sick. Symptoms noted in the findings included extreme joint stiffness, uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea, severe headaches, and death. These and other facts from the secret documents directly contradict the findings concurrently published in scientific journals which praised the positive effects of fluoride.

    Regional environmental fluoride releases in the northeast United States also resulted in several legal suits against the government by farmers after the end of World War II, according to Griffiths and Bryson. Military and public health officials feared legal victories would snowball, opening the door to further suits which might have kept the bomb program from continuing to use fluoride. With the Cold War underway, the New Jersey lawsuits proved to be a roadblock to America’s already full-scale production of atomic weapons. Officials were subsequently ordered to protect the interests of the government.

    After the war, experimentation and the dissemination of misinformation continued. Most notably, the authors state, bomb program scientists embarked on a campaign to calm the social panic about fluoride in the early 1950s, through lectures on fluoride toxicology and by promoting its usefulness in preventing tooth decay. Bomb program scientists played a leading role in the design and implementation of a fluoride study conducted in Newburgh, New York, from 1945 to 1956 in which fluoride was secretly added to public drinking water. In a classified follow-up operation referred to as “Program F,” blood and tissue samples were covertly collected from Newburgh citizens with the assistance of the State Health Department. The government eagerly studied the effects of fluoride in Newburgh, as a community-level fluoride exposure experiment.

    The formerly top-secret papers—including letters, memos, and health reports—raise important questions about the U.S. government’s possible conflict of interest regarding fluoride use and promotion. If lower dose ranges were found hazardous by the Manhattan Project studies, these findings “might have opened the bomb program and its con-tractors up to lawsuits for injury to human health, as well as public outcry,” say the authors. The documents also state that “clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride may have a rather marked central nervous system effect…. It seems most likely that the F [code for fluoride] component rather than the T [code for the uranium] is the causative factor.”

    It is feared that the Manhattan Project agenda directed researchers away from objectively evaluating the effects of fluoride well into the Cold War. “Information was buried,” concludes Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, the former head of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston who was interviewed by Griffiths and Bryson. “There is so much fluoride exposure now, and we simply do not know what it is doing.”

    UPDATE BY AUTHORS JOEL GRIFFITHS AND CHRIS BRYSON: “It’s an old story, fluoride. The early U.S. industrial polluters and their victims knew it best. It was just another day for them when the government announced fluoride would reduce children’s cavities. They would have been much better at enlightening the public about fluoride than the dentists of today, but they’re gone now.

    “The fluoride story is a hangover from the Cold War, when the U.S. media would not abrogate `national security.’ They publicized the official line about fluoride, and that was that. The critical role of fluoride in the production of the atomic bomb and in many of the new industrial processes (rocket propellants, fluorocarbons, plastics, etc.) that made America the world’s leader after World War II was never mentioned. The nationwide damage wreaked by industrial fluoride pollution, and the role and motives of the bomb program and U.S. industry in establishing fluoride’s safety, was not mentioned either.

  5. the komen deception says:

    Hexafluorosilicic acid is the inorganic compound with the formula H2SiF6. It is a product of the production of hydrogen fluoride and the production of phosphate fertilizers. The majority of the hexafluorosilicic acid is used for the production of aluminium metal. Hexafluorosilicic acid is also commonly used for water fluoridation.

    Hexafluorosilicic acid is also commonly used for water fluoridation in several countries including the United States, Great Britain, and Ireland. In the U.S., about 40,000 tons of fluorosilic acid is recovered from phosphoric acid plants, and then used primarily in water fluoridation, sometimes after being processed into sodium silicofluoride.

    Hexafluorosilicic acid releases hydrogen fluoride when evaporated, so it has similar risks. It is corrosive and may cause fluoride poisoning; inhalation of the vapors may cause lung edema. Like hydrogen fluoride, it attacks glass and stoneware.[7] LD50 value of hexafluorosilicic acid is 70 mg/kg (example LD50 for caffeine is 127 mg/kg).[8][9]

  6. the komen deception says:

    covertly soft killing sonoma county by poisoning the entire water supply with sodium fluoride is a form of terrorism.
    covertly soft killing sonoma county with chemtrails is terrorism.
    HAS ANYONE NOTICED THE CHEMTRAILS?
    ONE DAY WE HAVE NORMAL SKIES, THE NEXT THERE ARE HUGE PLUMES LINES AND STRIPS TWISTING AND SPREADING OUT. YOU SEE AN OCCASIONAL JET WITH A NORMAL CONTRAIL THAT FADES AWAY ONCE IN A WHILE THEN OTHER DAYS YOU SEE THE WHOLE SKY FILL WITH MULTIPLE STRIPS CONTINUOUSLY SPRAYED OUT CRISSCROSSING, PARALLEL, TWO AT A TIME, ONE EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
    THIS IS NOT NORMAL AIR TRAFFIC. WE WOULD SEE THIS EVERY DAY OTHERWISE AND THIS WOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.
    NO ONE KNOWS, THEY THINK ITS JUST A PLANE EVEN WHEN TWO DIFFERENT TRAILS COME OUT THE BACK. ONE DISAPPEARS THE OTHER CASCADES DOWNWARD WITH THE WIND.
    THE EVIDENCE IS ALL OVER YOUTUBE AND IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
    THE GOAL IS TO BRING THE POPULATION DOWN FROM 6 BILLION TO HALF A BILLION.
    EVERYTHING IS DESIGNED TO KILL INCLUDING SODIUM FLUORIDE.
    MIKE MCQUIRE IS TRYING TO SOFT KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
    WILL YOU LET MIKE MCGUIRE SOFT KILL YOU? DOES HE HAVE THE RIGHT?

  7. the komen deception says:

    High fructose corn syrup a 90% fructose syrup that causes type II diabetes stating that your body cant tell the difference then changing the name to corn sugar.

    fluoride was marketed by edward bernays also credited with the popularization of bacon to raise pork belly prices and marketing cigarettes to women.
    fluoride can hurt and contribute to thyroid problems in elderly.
    in the summer for example with an increased need for hydration or with athletes, prolonged fluoride intake could approach harmful levels
    the result of drinking extra water a potential hazard, there needs to be a way to opt out.
    if the underinsured children are the primary reason for fluoridation as stated, that must to be saved from this epidemic by consuming fluoride, i suggest you distribute toothpaste and fluorinated water to all the schools. this is where you will have 100% of the children. if the parents resist child protective services could be on standby.
    mandated fluoride could be given at the same time along with the mandated vaccines.

  8. Joe Cserna says:

    So we are all living on a big snowball rolling down the mountain. Which problems are we going fix first to slow the momentum? Everyone wants what they want. Fluoride is a tiny issue that is causing distraction from the crumbling precipice on which we all stand. Fluoride is a bandage and some salve to the root cause, poor dental hygiene. So we spend money to fluoridate the water supply. So what? People who can’t go to the dentist because of cost and lack of insurance still won’t benefit because they are still lacking (I am assuming a little here) adequate availability to health care in general and a healthier lifestyle. Let’s not forget also, the infrastructure is crumbling, we are a country still at war, both abroad and apparently within our borders. We are all running on a deficit and the environment may be getting ready to say a big hello to us. Pick a problem and fix it intelligently. Stop throwing poo on the wall to see what sticks and then complaining about the smell.

  9. the kohmen deception says:

    here is a quick history of fluoridation. like the cancer industry with susan g kohmens satanic crescent ribbon, fluoridation is a deadly deception.
    it is a toxic waste collected from chimney scrubbers started by alcoa aluminum manufacturing. i encourage you to go over the facts and look closely at those behind fluoridation past and present.
    http://youtu.be/jdAZA_xSgXg

  10. e-coli says:

    fluoride is bad for teeth. after learning the facts about flourine it is obvious-fluoridation is murder.
    fluoride-the bizarre history-full documentary
    http://youtu.be/0JFLP5k57Y4

  11. 911REISTAG says:

    mercury fillings are also questionable. mercury is toxic.
    why invest in someone who has already poisoned you with mercury?
    fluoridation next to mercury is highly questionable. forced medication is illegal.
    my understanding is the fluoride used is not manufactured but is a toxic waste in part from alcoa. there would be a cost for disposal. mabey that is why they have no problem forcing to fluoridate 100% of the water not just the fraction that is ingested.
    imagine if they were just killing two birds with one stone. they get paid instead of having to pay to safely dispose of a toxic waste and they soft kill the useless eaters under the guise of liberalism.
    if you believe these devils you must believe jack ruby was just upset.
    AMA logo = thinly veiled 666

  12. 911REISTAG says:

    why fluoridate 100% of the water when a fraction of that is actually consumed??
    when you flush the toilet your literally flushing the investment.
    when i bathe, does my skin need the absorbed fluoride??
    do i need fluoride to wash my car?
    why drink?? how crazy are you?

  13. CocoSevilla says:

    The intentions may be good, but this would leave no choice for folks who don’t want fluoride. I personally don’t want it in my water. If I want fluoride, I’ll find some other way to get it. Another question comes to mind: If this is all about their concern for my dental health, and they want to take on this responsibility, why stop with fluoride in the water? Government has to stop micomanaging our lives and leave us room for choice and personal responsibility.

  14. IndieVoter says:

    1. Fluoride is a byproduct of chemical manufacturing.

    2. Fluoride is officially recognized by the EPA as a hazardous waste material.

    3. Fluoride is BANNED in 98% of Western Europe due to its high toxicity when consumed at high levels.

    4. Fluoride is scientifically proven to be carcinogenic, causing high rates of cancer in lab rats.

    5. During the Holocaust, the Nazis sedated prisoners at Auschwitz using fluoride to make them more docile and to suppress uprisings. This is an undisputed historical fact!

    6. There is no federal mandate to fluoridate municipal water sources, nor is there an urgent public health emergency necessitating one.

    There is a petition on change.org urging the Santa Rosa City Council to adopt and enact a city ordinance banning the fluoridation of the public water supply and banning the sale of bottled water containing fluoride in the city limits of Santa Rosa. Sign the petition.

    Then, as Deborah says: “Please show up at local meetings and the water meeting this Monday 2/5/12 9AM – WAC Mtg. 35 Stony Point, Santa Rosa
    Fluoride is a POISON – Lets NOT Drink It!”

    And lastly, switch to non-fluoridated toothpaste and non-fluoridated bottle water.

    Those are three simple things you can do right now. We all need to be more active in our community.

  15. Jim Bennett says:

    Just because some credible looking ‘agencies’ with web sites and nice fonts ‘n logos connected with industry/government/UN advocate (lobby) for something doesn’t make it factual.

    Look at all the ‘advocacy’ groups promoting ‘climate change’.

    They even got the biggest Agency of all-EPA to classify carbon dioxide as a toxin!

  16. Deborah says:

    The mega corporations found a great way to get rid of toxic waste. Get people to drink it! They use a middle man to sell it to OUR water agencies that in turn dump the poisonous fluoride into our water for us to improve our dental health. Yes, it’s true. The Fluoride in tooth paste kills the germs because the fluoride poisons them. Bye bye germs, not to mention the internal damage of the fluoride to our organs, bones, joints and brains. Everyone wins – mega corporations get rid of the poison and Big Pharma makes lots of $$$ from us. Our County Board of Supervisors should not be re-elected. Their complete ignorance and arrogance likely speaks to the other decisions, for our safety and welfare, that they make. HUM! Wonder if any relationships exist between the fertilizer companies and our BOS?

  17. Deborah says:

    The Gullixson article shows that if you own or control the press, you can put a lot of untruths into an editorial and get away with it. This skewed journalism is an example of the media at its worst. Absolutely NO regard for the truth, no regard for the science and complete disinformation. Sorry, the public is waking up. The truth is simply the truth!

    Fluoride is a Poison, period. No one can dispute that fluoride is a poison. Fluoride is a byproduct and pollutant from phosphate fertilizer plants. The issue is not the benefits of sodium fluoride because, although sodium fluoride is what is usually used in the rat studies to investigate the hazards of fluoride, 90% of water fluoridation uses something even worse, phosphate fertilizer plant pollution; it is a hazardous waste that is high in hydrofluosilicic acid, toxic metals, and radioactive elements.

    We have launched a site http://www.ToxicDrinkingWater.org

    Please show up at local meetings and the water meeting this Monday 2/5/12 9AM – WAC Mtg. 35 Stony Point, Santa Rosa
    Fluoride is a POISON – Lets NOT Drink It!

  18. Brian says:

    Fluoride doesn’t work like previously thought:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101215121918.htm

    abstract of actual article referenced above:

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la102325e

  19. Follower says:

    @MG
    I know… I wish I could delete it knowing how much it bothers you but they just won’t let me.

    Maybe you could post your email address & I can start running my posts by you before I click “Submit”.

    I really just feel awful about this. I don’t know how I’ll ever get to sleep tonight.

  20. Jim Bennett says:

    Interesting comment by Supervisor Rabbitt.
    Truth is-the vaccines are poison too.

    It’s very difficult to accept what/who our public officials are actively engaged with, and what the goals and ideology represent to our Country.

    The results of our complacency will be harder to accept.

    That’s why we are asking THE QUESTION.

  21. Joseph Donegan says:

    Face it, we dump our sewage upstream from the potable water intake wells. Sonoma county is progressive with its very own toilet to tap system for the counties main water supply.

  22. Money Grubber says:

    Bear:

    Speaking of pollution in the Russian River, its a quietly spoken secret among government types that the river is polluted beyond swimming safety .. … from leaking septic tanks.

    Yet you see the anti-fluoride paranoids frolicking about in that stuff every summer.

  23. Money Grubber says:

    Follower:

    The EPA would not like you “DUMPING” anything into the underground water systems. Not sugar, not coffee, not milk,
    not tea, not flour, not baking soda, not ………

    Your post makes zero sense.

  24. Money Grubber says:

    Kay asked, “My question is, if it’s so good, why didn’t previous boards of supervisors ever vote to add fluoride into our drinking water?”

    Easy answer, Kay.

    The first might be that the cost involved was too much for previous times in Sonoma County.

    The second reason might be that the kooks who thought they knew more than mainstream science outnumbered the mainstream voters.

  25. Michael Sheehan says:

    Just one more reason to install a VERY high quality water filter that treats ALL the water that comes into your home.

    They can be a bit expensive ($1,000 or so), but worth the safety of eliminating these kinds of toxins from the water.

  26. Jim Bennett says:

    Remember that even if you drink ‘purified’ water, the ‘tap’ water we bath/shower/swim in will be absorbed through the biggest organ in our body; our skin.

    These ‘leaders’ will go along with anything they’re told (by ICLEI).

    You don’t need a Doctorate in Toxicology to know that putting rat poison in the water supply might not be good.

    Especially when your constituents emotionally share their concern and arm you with expert written information.

    Think we might have a problem yet?

    Think it might be time to QUESTION who they work for?

  27. J L Anderson says:

    On the other hand, maybe a huge dose of fluoride will actually smarten up the idiotic voters in Sonoma County who keep supporting these stupid, stupid, stupid, left-wing politicians.

    Probably not.

  28. Kay Tokerud says:

    Gullixson’s editorial in today’s PD is way out of touch with public opinion on the fluoride issue. Maybe this will be the wedge issue that flushes out the usual suspects on our boards and commissions.

    Prior to finding out about UN Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, I was an avid environmentalist and subscribed to David Brower’s Earth Island Journal before he passed away. In that publication they did a lot of reporting on the ills of fluoridation. Environmentalists have strongly opposed fluoridation as far back as I can remember.

    My question is, if it’s so good, why didn’t previous boards of supervisors ever vote to add fluoride into our drinking water? Maybe they knew something that our current supervisors are ignorant of. The current board is completely out of sync with all previous boards as well as the majority of voters.

    Now is the time to vote them all out if they add fluoride to our water. I want to know if any of them own stock in companies that sell bottled water. The PD should do some actual investigative journalism (if they know how) and find out why the current board of Supervisors wants to take a 180 degree turn from all previous boards. What is missing from this story?

  29. Money Grubber says:

    A dentist once told me that he can generally tell which patient grew up with fluoride in his/her water and which patient went without.

    The patient with the fluoride has the more beautiful and healthy set of teeth free of decay.

    Big cities across the country and around the world have been using fluoride in their water systems for generations without trouble.

    I’d prefer to see fluoride used locally for the benefit of the community. The cost involved could be covered by eliminating the fraudulent use of tax money for such things as a Sheriff’s “bomb squad” or their million dollar a year “Henry 1″ helicopter that they use to extract injured bike riders from Annadel rather than simply using a 4x vehicle.

  30. Bob walker says:

    The ARROGANCE of our elected officials is OFF the chart.

  31. Follower says:

    I wonder if the EPA would have any problem with me dumping Fluoride in my well?!!

  32. Kay Jones says:

    “The Case Against Fluoride How Hazardous Waste Ended Up in Our Drinking Water and the Bad Science and Powerful Politics That Keep it There,” Paul Connett, PhD, James Beck, MD, Phd, H S Micklem, DPhil (2010), should be required reading for anyone endorsing the addition of a toxic chemical, and by-product of pesticide production, to our drinking water. The book is well written, fact based and broadly sourced. I believe adding fluoride to our water needs to stop. Don’t rely on outdated studies or old unsupported claims that fluoride is safe. Investigate and become knowledgeable, fluoride is not the savior you may think it is.

  33. Bear says:

    I’d worry more about the vineyard pesticides and fertilizers that are being dumped into the Russian River.

  34. Commonsense says:

    So, let me get this straight, because maybe I’m confused, the best way to deal with poor dental hygene amoung some is to add “flouride” to everyone’s water supply?????????
    Is there any real factual evidence to establish that a majority of households/children even drink tap water on a regular basis so as to justify this kind of undertaking? I’m guessing no, based on some life experience and a little logic. I’d be willing to bet that most get their water from bottles off the store shelf (hence the big plastic bottle debate). Many today who drink water from a tap buy home filters to “clean” the water. Would those filters then eliminate most of the alleged key elements of the added flouride?
    Wouldn’t it make more sense to promote good dental hygene? Encourage families to begin brushing early and often, and promote flossing? I mean really, are we all that dumb that we don’t know how to care for our own teeth and thus require local, state and federal gov’t to step in and do it for us???
    And while I’m all for healthy eating, there needs to be a balance there also, as many fruits and veggies also contain carbs and sugars. One could eat nothing but fruits and veggies and still the teeth will decay without proper cleaning and care. It’s a hygene issue, and a basic on at that. Fire burns and water gets you wet and if you don’t care for your teeth they decay and die…. And, how about the lack of extra money just laying around right now for studies?
    P.S. vaccines and flouride are different on so many levels, not sure why one would chose those to compare. A better one would be vitamins and flouride.

  35. Jim Bennett says:

    Wonder which button will light people up?
    The loss of civil libertys button?
    The erosion of property rights button?
    The redundant contrived taxation button?
    The anti small business button?
    The loss of freedoms button?
    The ignoring the citizens button?
    The indoctrination of our children button?

    Or now, the poisoning of our water button?

    The whole situation is surreal, they want to poison our water, and they have the nerve to say our comments are ‘off the chart’?
    What chart? The ICLEI chart?
    I they’re this brainwashed on this easy to understand issue…

    These times require our involvement.

    It is time to ask THE QUESTION.
    What is the public’s benefit to our allegiance with this UN sponsored globalist NGO?

    ICLEI.

    That’s where ALL this crap comes from.

  36. James Todd says:

    All you need to know about Flouride. For those who don’t know this is ALL tied to Agenda 21!

    At least with Smart Meters we could “opt out”!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_Mg0xCvcM

  37. Studies have shown that the rates of tooth decay are the SAME in fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas (http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/nidr-dmft.html). Fluoride’s effects are topcial, not systemic. There is literally NO reasonable justification for putting fluoride in the water. It increases bone cancer rates, it lowers IQ, and over a third of children in this country are suffering from dental fluorosis according to the CDC. Fluorosis is fluoride poisoning. The fluoride added to water supplies is literally crude toxic waste. The aluminum and fertilizer industries are happy to dump this crap in our water, since it saves them the tremendous cost of having the toxic waste neutralized. Unfortunately for us, it is contaminated with heavy metals.

    Tooth decay is caused by poor nutrition, not a lack of fluoride. Multiple researchers, including the scientist team that discovered vitamin D, have used experimental diets to reverse tooth decay in children. Please view an article I recently published on this topic here: http://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?87786-Article-How-to-Heal-Tooth-Decay-with-Nutrition

  38. Just Me says:

    This is the reason I have stopped giving money to Cancer Cure Research programs. Our Supervisors only want to continue causing cancer!!! I believe there are cures for cancer, however there is a whole industry depending on it for their income and livlihood…at our expense!

    Find all of the CAUSES of cancer and STOP them now! Flouride is one of them.

    I already use filtered water in my house because of the chlorine that you can SMELL coming out of the tap! I know exactly when the water has been treated.

    NO FLOURIDATION!!!! VOTE OUT THESE SUPERVISORS WHO MAKE DECISIONS WITH THEIR FEELINGS INSTEAD OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!

    EDUCATE FAMILIES ON PROPER DIET AND DENTAL CARE.

    STOP POISENING ME!!!

  39. Sarkyfish says:

    A fact that is on the charts: “In high concentrations, soluble fluoride salts are toxic and skin or eye contact with high concentrations of many fluoride salts is dangerous.” Wikipedia. Admittedly, out of context, but a fact that was left out of this article.

  40. Kay Tokerud says:

    It’s shocking that the left wing Supervisors would support putting poison in the water. The foolishness of fluoridating everyone’s entire bodies in order to strengthen the tooth enamel of children is staggering. Fluoride is in most toothpaste as everyone knows. The problem is bad oral hygiene and sugar eating among children.

    Sonoma County schools have been flooded with both legal and illegal immigrants that are predominately from low income families. The increase in dental problems can be directly linked to this shift in demographics. Addressing the problem by adding poison to everyone’s water is not the answer. What’s wrong with our Supervisors that they can’t see what’s going on here?

    Big corporate interests will be the beneficiaries of this because they will be able to sell their wastes instead of paying to dispose of them. I’m ashamed of our Supervisors for supporting the corporatocracy instead of their constituants health. Why not just give toothbrushes and toothpaste to every low income kid in Sonoma County? Stop punishing the rest of us for our government’s lax immigration policies that are contributing to our societal ills on many fronts. Maybe we should vote out any Supervisor that votes to put toxic fluoride in our water.

  41. Follower says:

    @Average Joe
    You’re “dating” yourself. (I remember that add too)

    Everyone else…
    Thank you for electing people who are vigorously working to protect me from myself.

  42. fmmt47 says:

    The material data safety sheet for flouride lists it as a poison and in addition, it states that “repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.” All toothpastes containing flouride list the following warning on the back of the tube: “If more than is used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or dial (412)390-3381 right away (Poison Control Center. Ingestion of flouride is cumulative. So what’s next for our oral health experts on the BOS, recommend small amounts of arsenic in our water because it’s good for us. If they wish to “save” the lower income people with bad teeth distribute flouride tablets to them.

  43. Missy says:

    There IS a facebook account now Fluoride Free Sonoma County

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluoride-Free-Sonoma-County/202133946560474

  44. General Jack Ripper Dr. Strange Love says:

    People please watch this video and tell me that fluoride is not a poison!

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7319752042352089988&hl=en#docid=6297674892228329127

  45. ARS says:

    The fluoride being put into SC water has nothing to do with naturally occurring fluoride. It is waste by product of the chemical fertilizer industry. A good resource on this issue is fluoridealert.org

    Supervisor Rabbit doesn’t have a scientific back ground in this subject? I think hes only qualified enough to supervise 4H club.

    “Vaccines, fluoride. They’re not poison,” he said. “I sit up here and I’m bewildered because as a society we’re now living longer than ever, thanks to those vaccines, thanks to fluoride for our teeth. That’s a fact.”

    Hilarious!!!! And people actually voted for this guy. WOW!

    On April 12, 2010, Time magazine listed fluoride as one of the “Top Ten Common Household Toxins” and described fluoride as both “neurotoxic and potentially tumorigenic if swallowed.” (4)

    Read the rest click below
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-study-fluoride-can-damage-the-brain—avoid-use-in-children-124299299.html

  46. The Hammer says:

    Just another reason they will use to increase you water rates.

  47. Missy says:

    Please someone put up a Stop Flouridation in Sonoma County Water site on facebook. Now.

  48. Jim Bennett says:

    Our local ICLEI society is reminding me more and more of another famous society in 1930′s Europe every day.

    We’ve got ‘human settlements’ in ‘transit villages’(their words).
    A preoccupation with forced housing next to rail (Smart Growth).
    An obediant propaganda machine telling the people only what they want.
    A bottom-up means of identifying desenters and reporting them through neighborhood leaders via an alphabet of neighborhood ‘programs’.
    Soon we can look for ‘mandatory volunteering’.
    Children increasingly looked after by the state.
    A means of reconciling all of our land use and business endeavors through strict government regulations and approval.
    A means of quick identification (chips).

    NOW THIS!

    Fluoride was used by the Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile.
    Fluoride is used to kill rodents ‘n roaches.
    Fluoride is the ‘dumbing down’ ingredient in Prozac.
    Fluoride’s in Sarin nerve gas.

    Nobody ‘makes’ fluoride.
    It’s a toxic hazardous waste by-product from aluminum, the nuclear and fertilizer industry.
    Lobbyists in the 50′s and 60′s somehow got the FDA/our Government to buy it at a 20,000% markup!
    So this toxic waste went from an expensive liability to dispose of to propaganda ridden liability to our health.

    Talk about a ‘public-private partnership’.

    INDEPENDENT scientific evidence over the last 50 years confirms that this toxin shortens our life span, promotes cancers, effects mental function, makes us subserviant, docile and stupid.
    Another contributor to our autism and Alzheimer’s epidemic.

    Since our community’s UN Agenda 21 policy’s are excellerating, it’s time that more know about the darkest component of The ‘Plan’…
    depopulation.

  49. J L Anderson says:

    The blatant ignorance of the problems with fluoridation displayed by McGuire, Rabbitt and the other supervisors is “off the charts.” Any medical professional, especially those in the natural health field, could educate them.

    Fluoride is useful for children up to about age 12 or so to strengthen their teeth, but after is merely a toxin in the body that must be eliminated.

    Politicians around here can be scary stupid.

  50. Average Joe says:

    4 out of 5 supervisors recommend fluoride

  51. Trey Dunia says:

    Not a fan of fluoridated water…I buy fluoridated toothpaste.

  52. Please tell us this is not happening here…That Sonoma County would never cave to pressure to fluoridate.

    As a Doctor-Nurse team living here, we are committed to testifying at any public event about fluoridation, as we have done elsewhere.

    We are ready to discuss facts that are not being taught in dental schools ( largely supported by business benefitting from fluoride).

    As Natural Thyroid Care experts, we will continue to enlighten the public to the potential negative impact fluoride can have on our delicate thyroid glands.

    Come on, Sonoma County Supervisor Rabbitt, get real.

    If you want to reduce the dental concerns of our young children, let’s get them off sugar. Teach them in school to properly brush their teeth. Stop selling sugar drinks in all schools.

    Teach kids about healthy foods, and show them what high carb-high-sugar diet does to our bodies.

    Putting a medicine that can harm young and old into public drinking water is against our constitutional rights. Moreover, in my humble view as a nurse, It is a silly response to a societal problem.

    Let’s fix the problem – poor diet & dental hygiene – with dietary education & by serving only healthy foods at school – even when made by well-intentioned PTA moms. In light of our national obesity epidemic,

    it’s time to change the way we relate to fattening unhealthy artery clogging foods that taste so good we can’t stop eating them. Food is fuel; pizza and sugar treats are “entertainment”. Let us make that important distinction.

    Fluoride in our water will hurt many people’s thyroids; and it will never fix our dental problems. We need to do it the old-fashioned way, through education.