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	<title>Comments on: Pixels vs. paper in Petaluma: Are iPads in public meetings OK?</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-167079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.granicus.com/Solutions/Government-Transparency-Suite/iLegislate.aspx

&quot;iLegislate seamlessly connects agenda data to the iPad and makes it available for offline viewing. Elected members and staff can review agendas and supporting documents, take notes and bookmark items of interest. This mobile technology enables users to review meeting materials before, during or after a meeting from any location, even without an internet connection. All of your data is automatically backed up to the Granicus cloud once an internet connection is reestablished.&quot;

Not sure what happened on Monday, but the latest version of iLegislate was tested today by the City IT department and it was confirmed that in fact the app does work as advertised. The data can be downloaded, then, the iPad can be switched to Airplane mode (no internet) and members can continue to peruse the necessary data and add comments. Then, they can disable Airplane mode after the meeting, restore network connectivity, and the comments sync to the Granicus cloud. 

So it would seem a good compromise solution is to allow and even encourage iPads (saves paper and resources = $$), yet simply require they be put in Airplane mode when used during deliberations on the dais (this can be verified pretty easily). Should members need internet access to pull up relevant data, they can of course access the laptop in the Council chamber that is connected to a projector for all to see. Does this work for everyone?]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;iLegislate seamlessly connects agenda data to the iPad and makes it available for offline viewing. Elected members and staff can review agendas and supporting documents, take notes and bookmark items of interest. This mobile technology enables users to review meeting materials before, during or after a meeting from any location, even without an internet connection. All of your data is automatically backed up to the Granicus cloud once an internet connection is reestablished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure what happened on Monday, but the latest version of iLegislate was tested today by the City IT department and it was confirmed that in fact the app does work as advertised. The data can be downloaded, then, the iPad can be switched to Airplane mode (no internet) and members can continue to peruse the necessary data and add comments. Then, they can disable Airplane mode after the meeting, restore network connectivity, and the comments sync to the Granicus cloud. </p>
<p>So it would seem a good compromise solution is to allow and even encourage iPads (saves paper and resources = $$), yet simply require they be put in Airplane mode when used during deliberations on the dais (this can be verified pretty easily). Should members need internet access to pull up relevant data, they can of course access the laptop in the Council chamber that is connected to a projector for all to see. Does this work for everyone?</p>
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		<title>By: olivia</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166814</link>
		<dc:creator>olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@councilwatcher: Spot On!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@councilwatcher: Spot On!</p>
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		<title>By: David Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166351</link>
		<dc:creator>David Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In California, the public has the legal right to know what information is being used by their elected representatives to review and decide on legislative, quasi-judicial (e.g., appeals) and project approval actions. Using iPads, laptops, cellphones and other personal devices makes it all too easy to violate the public&#039;s right to know and trust.

This isn&#039;t about a council member&#039;s access or ability to get digital information conveniently. All information used by a council member for making one of these important decisions must be public, subject to scrutiny, response or rebuttal in public while the hearing is still open to public comment.

This protects the ability to have fair and open hearings on project considerations and approvals, appointments, resolutions, ordinances and other critical jobs that council members have sworn to do.

The due process rights of project applicants, opponents, appellants and others doing business with the council are damaged without access to the full legal &#039;record&#039; about their issues. Once the hearing is &#039;closed&#039; to public testimony, no additional information can be slipped to one council member.

As the Brown Act states:
&quot;In enacting this chapter, the Legislature finds and declares that the public commissions, boards and councils and the other public agencies in this State exist to aid in the conduct of the people&#039;s business. It is the intent of the law that their actions be taken openly and that their deliberations be conducted openly. The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.&quot;

These digital devices make it too easy for illegal, secret, serial meetings or &#039;votes&#039; to occur between council members. It makes it too easy for lobbyists and others to secretly influence deliberations during the council meeting. It is rude for council members to be searching online while the public is talking to them.

Just turn them off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In California, the public has the legal right to know what information is being used by their elected representatives to review and decide on legislative, quasi-judicial (e.g., appeals) and project approval actions. Using iPads, laptops, cellphones and other personal devices makes it all too easy to violate the public&#8217;s right to know and trust.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about a council member&#8217;s access or ability to get digital information conveniently. All information used by a council member for making one of these important decisions must be public, subject to scrutiny, response or rebuttal in public while the hearing is still open to public comment.</p>
<p>This protects the ability to have fair and open hearings on project considerations and approvals, appointments, resolutions, ordinances and other critical jobs that council members have sworn to do.</p>
<p>The due process rights of project applicants, opponents, appellants and others doing business with the council are damaged without access to the full legal &#8216;record&#8217; about their issues. Once the hearing is &#8216;closed&#8217; to public testimony, no additional information can be slipped to one council member.</p>
<p>As the Brown Act states:<br />
&#8220;In enacting this chapter, the Legislature finds and declares that the public commissions, boards and councils and the other public agencies in this State exist to aid in the conduct of the people&#8217;s business. It is the intent of the law that their actions be taken openly and that their deliberations be conducted openly. The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.&#8221;</p>
<p>These digital devices make it too easy for illegal, secret, serial meetings or &#8216;votes&#8217; to occur between council members. It makes it too easy for lobbyists and others to secretly influence deliberations during the council meeting. It is rude for council members to be searching online while the public is talking to them.</p>
<p>Just turn them off.</p>
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		<title>By: RAW</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166127</link>
		<dc:creator>RAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could care less about their i-pads, but to use savings as a justification is idiotic. The sheople will believe anything. Any excuse will work if you want to justify it. Stupid is as stupid does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could care less about their i-pads, but to use savings as a justification is idiotic. The sheople will believe anything. Any excuse will work if you want to justify it. Stupid is as stupid does.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Karraker</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166109</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Karraker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LBR: 

In the spirit of transparency, council meetings are required by the Brown Act to be open and public. Using iPADS raises the possibility that they can send messages to each other which are not seen by the public. Even the possibility of that happening should be enough to keep them off the dais.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBR: </p>
<p>In the spirit of transparency, council meetings are required by the Brown Act to be open and public. Using iPADS raises the possibility that they can send messages to each other which are not seen by the public. Even the possibility of that happening should be enough to keep them off the dais.</p>
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		<title>By: Planner concerned about transparency</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166077</link>
		<dc:creator>Planner concerned about transparency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it comical that a member of the Planning Commission would be concerned about transparency and public access.  These are the same people who conspire to kill any project that does not fit their progressive mold.  They were put in place in a back door deal and vote in lock step.  And Dennis is concerned about transparency?  Comical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it comical that a member of the Planning Commission would be concerned about transparency and public access.  These are the same people who conspire to kill any project that does not fit their progressive mold.  They were put in place in a back door deal and vote in lock step.  And Dennis is concerned about transparency?  Comical.</p>
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		<title>By: THE QUESTION</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166063</link>
		<dc:creator>THE QUESTION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, not only are we not going anywhere, we are pushing on the gas pedal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, not only are we not going anywhere, we are pushing on the gas pedal.</p>
<p> <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-166063" src="http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/3_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('166063', 'add', 'www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '3_20_');" title="Thumbs up" /> <span id="karma-166063-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-166063" src="http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/3_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('166063', 'subtract', 'www.watchsonomacounty.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '3_20_')" title="Thumbs down" /> <span id="karma-166063-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">4</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lets be Reasonable</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166050</link>
		<dc:creator>Lets be Reasonable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It makes perfect sense for the councils to use tablets or laptops to view council documents.  It is a savings in both paper and staff time.  The crazies on this blog need to get a grip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes perfect sense for the councils to use tablets or laptops to view council documents.  It is a savings in both paper and staff time.  The crazies on this blog need to get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: john bly</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-166046</link>
		<dc:creator>john bly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think if public officials are going to use products that are made outside of this Country that employ workers in China rather than the USA, they should have to vote yes on every single issue that comes before them that will provide jobs over here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if public officials are going to use products that are made outside of this Country that employ workers in China rather than the USA, they should have to vote yes on every single issue that comes before them that will provide jobs over here!</p>
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		<title>By: THE ANSWER</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165994</link>
		<dc:creator>THE ANSWER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG, it never stops. Secret cabals of public officials with their hidden copies of the UN Agenda 21 loaded into their I-Pads. Please, get real. 

The correct answer to THE QUESTION is: &quot;What in the hell are you talking about?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, it never stops. Secret cabals of public officials with their hidden copies of the UN Agenda 21 loaded into their I-Pads. Please, get real. </p>
<p>The correct answer to THE QUESTION is: &#8220;What in the hell are you talking about?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Wellington</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165917</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just an excuse to get freebies at public expense.  I think there should be random checks for porn and a weekly public printout of their history - and all of a sudden, they&#039;d decide they didn&#039;t need the free iPads after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just an excuse to get freebies at public expense.  I think there should be random checks for porn and a weekly public printout of their history &#8211; and all of a sudden, they&#8217;d decide they didn&#8217;t need the free iPads after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Canthisbe</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165887</link>
		<dc:creator>Canthisbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luddites unite!! No technology for the governing class!!  They did a much better job when they rode horses and used quill pens!!
Actually, the problem is not the i-pads, it&#039;s the people we elect to run the government.  We need to do a better job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luddites unite!! No technology for the governing class!!  They did a much better job when they rode horses and used quill pens!!<br />
Actually, the problem is not the i-pads, it&#8217;s the people we elect to run the government.  We need to do a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: RAW</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165719</link>
		<dc:creator>RAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toys bought with other people&#039;s money. They can&#039;t help themselves. When a case of 5,000 sheets of paper costs $20 at Costco, no one can convince the average person there is any savings. They will be outdated and obsolete before you would go through $200 worth of paper for all of them. When they need replacinf they will cost another $6000, or more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toys bought with other people&#8217;s money. They can&#8217;t help themselves. When a case of 5,000 sheets of paper costs $20 at Costco, no one can convince the average person there is any savings. They will be outdated and obsolete before you would go through $200 worth of paper for all of them. When they need replacinf they will cost another $6000, or more.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Dis-Ease</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165706</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Dis-Ease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steveguy:
this secret, treasonous allegiance that these people engage in is amazing.
Here we are working our ass off, paying misappropriated taxes through the nose, making it work in the toughest economy of our lives, while these people hedge their bets, keep their gig &#039;sustainable&#039;, let us pay them to orchestrate our decline?

THEN when you call &#039;em on it they ignore you, act like your speaking Portuguese.
Or use that &#039;conspiracy theory&#039; line or worse, the &#039;tin foil hat&#039; line.
BTW when you hear that term, almost by definition it&#039;s &#039;one of them&#039;, it must be in their training or something.

It&#039;s hard to accept on many levels, it&#039;s also verifiable fact.

There are about two dozen communities that have kicked ICLEI out.

We need to do the same.

Join and connect with some response-able citizens at City Hall on the 14th, as we insist on a diologue about this globalist NGO; ICLEI.
We will ask THE QUESTION.
On the fence?
Can&#039;t decide if this crap has merit to you?
Observe how our &#039;public servants&#039; respond, listen to what we have to say, read something on your own.
This subject needs to be on our radar, right now.

Partly so when ABAG/MTC comes to town to pitch their tyranny to City Council you know what&#039;s at stake.

When pressed ICLEI towns will create propaganda about how many warm &#039;n fuzzy sounding agencies and alliances this NGO has to add credibility. Or they&#039;ll start with the &#039;green house gas&#039; drivel.

The whole &#039;reason&#039; (excuse) for this enormous oppression is &#039;global warming&#039;, or &#039;climate change&#039; as they call it now.

So the decimation of our well being is based on a lie the UN contrived as an instrument of our oppression.

Well if they can perpetuate a lie over and over &#039;till we beleive it, it should take us less tries to speak the truth.

Oh, and no to I-Pads.
Hello, paper trails, Freedom of Information Act, this is a rogue situation we have going on here.

Dissent when appropriate is our responsibility, the Constitution provides for it.

It is patriotic.

Under the circumstances...
it&#039;s appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steveguy:<br />
this secret, treasonous allegiance that these people engage in is amazing.<br />
Here we are working our ass off, paying misappropriated taxes through the nose, making it work in the toughest economy of our lives, while these people hedge their bets, keep their gig &#8216;sustainable&#8217;, let us pay them to orchestrate our decline?</p>
<p>THEN when you call &#8216;em on it they ignore you, act like your speaking Portuguese.<br />
Or use that &#8216;conspiracy theory&#8217; line or worse, the &#8216;tin foil hat&#8217; line.<br />
BTW when you hear that term, almost by definition it&#8217;s &#8216;one of them&#8217;, it must be in their training or something.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to accept on many levels, it&#8217;s also verifiable fact.</p>
<p>There are about two dozen communities that have kicked ICLEI out.</p>
<p>We need to do the same.</p>
<p>Join and connect with some response-able citizens at City Hall on the 14th, as we insist on a diologue about this globalist NGO; ICLEI.<br />
We will ask THE QUESTION.<br />
On the fence?<br />
Can&#8217;t decide if this crap has merit to you?<br />
Observe how our &#8216;public servants&#8217; respond, listen to what we have to say, read something on your own.<br />
This subject needs to be on our radar, right now.</p>
<p>Partly so when ABAG/MTC comes to town to pitch their tyranny to City Council you know what&#8217;s at stake.</p>
<p>When pressed ICLEI towns will create propaganda about how many warm &#8216;n fuzzy sounding agencies and alliances this NGO has to add credibility. Or they&#8217;ll start with the &#8216;green house gas&#8217; drivel.</p>
<p>The whole &#8216;reason&#8217; (excuse) for this enormous oppression is &#8216;global warming&#8217;, or &#8216;climate change&#8217; as they call it now.</p>
<p>So the decimation of our well being is based on a lie the UN contrived as an instrument of our oppression.</p>
<p>Well if they can perpetuate a lie over and over &#8217;till we beleive it, it should take us less tries to speak the truth.</p>
<p>Oh, and no to I-Pads.<br />
Hello, paper trails, Freedom of Information Act, this is a rogue situation we have going on here.</p>
<p>Dissent when appropriate is our responsibility, the Constitution provides for it.</p>
<p>It is patriotic.</p>
<p>Under the circumstances&#8230;<br />
it&#8217;s appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogs Rule</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165610</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogs Rule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care if they have ipads or secret message pens. These people do not care what citizens say about anything and if that&#039;s not clear already it may be time for  Petalumans to get clarity about how the City Council works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if they have ipads or secret message pens. These people do not care what citizens say about anything and if that&#8217;s not clear already it may be time for  Petalumans to get clarity about how the City Council works.</p>
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		<title>By: Steveguy</title>
		<link>http://www.watchsonomacounty.com/2012/02/cities/pixels-vs-paper-in-petaluma-are-ipads-in-public-meetings-ok/#comment-165573</link>
		<dc:creator>Steveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The technology is useful, for the politicians to check on their ICLEI talking points, since they can&#039;t seem to think for themselves. Much easier than carrying around the Handbook. They do have Handbooks. I have read the Handbook. 

The ICLEI threat is real, and is happening. No conspiracy, it&#039;s an actual plan by which our politicians want to force upon us. 

To those that doubt--- read the Handbook, it is available on-line PDF style. A very interesting read. In the Handbook, it shows our politicians how to make seperate agencies with no accountability run by elected officials. 

Look it up, UN Agenda 21 is poison, and ICLEI is the way they implement &quot; The Plan&quot;.

Has anyone at the Press Democrat read the Handbook ? If so, perhaps they agree with The Plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The technology is useful, for the politicians to check on their ICLEI talking points, since they can&#8217;t seem to think for themselves. Much easier than carrying around the Handbook. They do have Handbooks. I have read the Handbook. </p>
<p>The ICLEI threat is real, and is happening. No conspiracy, it&#8217;s an actual plan by which our politicians want to force upon us. </p>
<p>To those that doubt&#8212; read the Handbook, it is available on-line PDF style. A very interesting read. In the Handbook, it shows our politicians how to make seperate agencies with no accountability run by elected officials. </p>
<p>Look it up, UN Agenda 21 is poison, and ICLEI is the way they implement &#8221; The Plan&#8221;.</p>
<p>Has anyone at the Press Democrat read the Handbook ? If so, perhaps they agree with The Plan.</p>
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		<title>By: councilwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>councilwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fondly remember the first meeting of the Petaluma City Council after they installed new condenser microphones.  Anytime somebody up there received a messsage on their Blackberry or other electronic device, the sound system would make a loud static sound.  It was shocking how many outside messages they were getting.

Now what the PD fails to report is that Councilmember Kearney stated in this meeting that his comments on the Deer Creek FEIR were all on his iPad... meaning that he made up his mind BEFORE the public and staff comments on the project.  And he was the only one who voted for that mess of an FEIR.  I don&#039;t trust Kearney as far as I can throw him.

Some government entities have built their meeting rooms with metal mesh embedded in the walls to block Internet access.  Some have installed jamming devices.  I would never trust a politician to monitor their Internet access themselves during a meeting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fondly remember the first meeting of the Petaluma City Council after they installed new condenser microphones.  Anytime somebody up there received a messsage on their Blackberry or other electronic device, the sound system would make a loud static sound.  It was shocking how many outside messages they were getting.</p>
<p>Now what the PD fails to report is that Councilmember Kearney stated in this meeting that his comments on the Deer Creek FEIR were all on his iPad&#8230; meaning that he made up his mind BEFORE the public and staff comments on the project.  And he was the only one who voted for that mess of an FEIR.  I don&#8217;t trust Kearney as far as I can throw him.</p>
<p>Some government entities have built their meeting rooms with metal mesh embedded in the walls to block Internet access.  Some have installed jamming devices.  I would never trust a politician to monitor their Internet access themselves during a meeting.</p>
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