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Organizers gear up for Occupy Santa Rosa rally

The Occupy Santa Rosa poster

By GUY KOVNER
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Organizers of an Occupy Santa Rosa event on Saturday say they are part of a growing national protest against the influence of the superwealthy.

“We’re fighting the global corporate takeover of our everyday lives,” Rachel Mutterperl of Santa Rosa said Tuesday at a planning session for the event to be held in front of Santa Rosa City Hall.

About 40 people, a mix of newcomers to protest politics and veterans of Sonoma County progressive causes, gathered outside A’Roma Roasters in Railroad Square to discuss logistics and debate strategy, including a commitment to nonviolent protest.

Civil disobedience is a possibility later on, but “for now we are going to be cooperative with the police,” said Francisco Diaz, a community organizer from San Rafael and one of six founding members of the week-old group.

The movement is “not hierarchical,” Diaz said, but is depending on “point people” to organize various aspects of the rally and march.

“I like to call it controlled chaos,” he said.

Occupy Santa Rosa was formed in response to the Occupy Wall Street protest, which has filled a park in lower Manhattan since Sept. 17 and is gaining attention from Democratic Party officials and labor unions.

It has also spawned occupations in more than 100 cities, including San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, Los Angeles, Chico and Eureka, according to Occupy Together, an online hub for protest activity.

The movement’s common theme is a perceived schism between the 1 percent of Americans in the economic elite versus the other 99 percent.

The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976, according to the New York Times.

As discussion of the local group’s long-term objectives bogged down, Diaz called for a focus on preparing for Saturday’s event.

The rally will “create the space where we can talk about solutions,” he said.

Organizers said they expect up to 1,000 people at the rally, and are reaching out to labor unions including the United Farmworkers, Santa Rosa Junior College students, the Peace and Justice Center of Sonoma County, the liberal public policy group MoveOn and the Committee for Immigrant Rights Sonoma County.

Starting at 2 p.m. Saturday, the event will include speeches by Lisa Maldonado, North Bay Labor Council executive director; Ben Boyce, labor activist and coordinator of the Accountable Development Coalition; Carl Patrick, immigrant rights activist; Alicia Sanchez, labor and immigrants rights activist; Davin Cardenas of the North Bay Organizing Project, a social justice advocacy group; and Sonoma State University political scientist Cynthia Boaz, an expert in nonviolent struggle.

Maldonado, who dropped by A’Roma Roasters with Boaz, thanked the Occupy Santa Rosa organizers.

“We’re looking forward to solidarity on Saturday,” she said.

Karyl Averill of Santa Rosa, one of the initial organizers, said she was concerned that labor or political groups could co-opt Wall Street protest movement.

“We don’t want the message hijacked by partisan rhetoric or ideology,” said Averill, a stay-at-home mother who is home-schooling two daughters, ages 3 and 5, and making her first foray into protest organizing.

Mary Moore of Camp Meeker, who started organizing Bohemian Grove protests 31 years ago, said she was “impressed with all the new faces” she saw at the planning session.

Following the speeches, participants will march past several downtown banks, returning to City Hall about 4­p.m.

For information, see the website occupysantarosa.org, and the group is also on Facebook and Twitter.

Whether the event turns into an ongoing occupation is uncertain.

“Some people are talking about bringing their tents to the march,” Averill said.





66 Responses to “Organizers gear up for Occupy Santa Rosa rally”

  1. Ricardo Sorentino says:

    All the ‘thumbs-down’ from my previous post in this thread doesn’t change reality. Here’s a little ‘dose of reality’ for the occupiers, and whatever they think/hope to accomplish:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1019-occupy-la-20111019,0,3365164.story

  2. Lets be Reasonable says:

    @RC – “I would exempt the truly poor from most taxes. However, any social compact requires virtually all citizens help pay for government.”
    .
    Kind of difficult to reconcile the two…
    .
    How about through some sort of service? If everyone were required to serve in some fashion. Expand AmeriCorps?

  3. Reality Check says:

    LBR,

    I meant all types of income–earned, dividend, capital gains–should be taxed equally. I intended no comment on progressivity.

    I would exempt the truly poor from most taxes. However, any social compact requires virtually all citizens help pay for government.

  4. Lets be Reasonable says:

    @reality – “In principle, though, all income should be taxed equally.”
    .
    Are you also saying that there should be a flat rate? Or do we still keep a progressive tax system. If so, and you complain that too many people pay no federal income tax (even though a good chunk of those are the working poor and seniors living on SS), at what income do folks first start paying income taxes?

  5. Joyce Garcia says:

    @John

    You wrote “@ Joyce – Name one Corporation that has started a union for it’s workers. Just one.

    Can’t do it because unions are formed by workers who are banding together to get better Wages, Hours, & Working conditions. Corporatons fight to break unions.”

    This is what I wrote: @ MOCKINGBIRD…while demonizing corporations, you reap all the benefits! Internet, computers, I-Phone, your car, the food you buy and eat, the clothes in your closet, the bed you sleep in, your job…yes…even your unions…;o)

    What are you talking about?! LOL

  6. Reality Check says:

    LBR,

    When was the last time all income was taxed at the same rate? After the Reagan tax reform of the mid-80s. Dividends, 28%; capital gains, 28%; top income rate, 28%.

    Works for me. Easier to justify, imo, if corporations paid dividends with pre-tax money and capital gains had an adjustment for inflation. In principle, though, all income should be taxed equally.

  7. Lets be Reasonable says:

    @Reality – I agree, the top 1% for the most part are carrying a big burden. The next 4%, however, are not paying much more than their share of income. Personally, I would repeal ALL the Bush tax cuts, not just on the wealthiest. But I must say that those that make most of their income from capital gains and are paying closer to a 15% effective tax rate are not paying their fair share.

  8. Reality Check says:

    LBR,

    I wouldn’t advocate the working poor pay any income tax.

    The problems is that the share of taxes paid by the middle class has declined substantially in recent decades, while the share paid by the rich has risen. Yeah, that’s not a popular fact, but it is true.

    Raise the minimum wage? OK. $20/hr? Oh, why be stingy, let’s make it $100/hr. You know not about which you speak.

  9. Lets be Reasonable says:

    @Reality – you know, there would be one sure fire way to get more folks paying federal income tax – raise the minimum wage so that the working poor actually made enough to reach the standard deduction level…
    .
    @Canthisbe – you talk about “Republican” and then say “Democrat / Socialist” – should I start saying “Republican / Fascist” every time I want to talk about your party? How does this raise the level of debate!?
    .
    It seems to me that both the Tea Party and the Occupy movement folks are coming from a fairly similar place. They are feeling that they’ve lost control of their destiny, that upward mobility has been lost, that their lot in life is sliding backwards instead of forward. The difference comes on who they blame for the problems. Tea Party folks blame government, while the Occupy folks blame corporations and especially banks. One side blames the government for the bailout of the banks, the other blames the banks for getting us in this mess. Neither side thought the bailout was right.

  10. Reality Check says:

    @Tom,

    While every working person pays the payroll tax, it is dedicated to Social Security and Medicare. We are left with about 50% of Americans who pay little (likely a small amount in excise taxes) for the general functions of the Federal government. They pay no income tax.

    Your numbers on Federal taxes as a percentage of GDP are in error.

    FY 2006 – 18.2%
    2007 – 18.5%
    2008 – 17.5%
    2009 – 14.9%
    2010 – 14.9%

    While the recession lowered tax receipts, the main component in driving the percentage down was increased spending, by about $1 trillion dollars.

    About 70% of all Federal taxes are paid by the highest 20% of wage earners.

    http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/AverageFedTaxRates2007.pdf

  11. Tom Lynch says:

    @Let’s Be Reasonable

    Agreed that those who say the “bottom” 50% of Americans don’t pay taxes, like Mitt Romney, are mistaken.

    Every working American pays into Social Security and Medicare 7.65%, and the “employer contribution” of 7.65% is basically part of your wage making a contribution of 15.3% PLUS sales tax, gas tax, etc. etc. AND property tax…i.e. don’t think renters don’t pay property tax as part of their rent, that’s included. SO the average working American, definitely pays a large % of their income in tax.

    The Simpson-Bowles Commission concluded we historically collected 19% of Gross National Product in Federal Tax and the last ten years it’s been 15%…

  12. John says:

    @ Joyce – Name one Corporation that has started a union for it’s workers. Just one.

    Can’t do it because unions are formed by workers who are banding together to get better Wages, Hours, & Working conditions. Corporatons fight to break unions.

  13. bats555 says:

    Don’t believe there are power factions running the world.
    The two major global factions:
    Today there are two major factions within the Western political power establishment internationally. They cooperate and share broad elitist goals, but differ fundamentally on how to reach these goals. Foremost is their goal of sharply controlling global economic growth and population growth. The first faction is best described as the Rockefeller Faction. It has a global power base and is today best represented by the Bush family faction which got their start, as I document in my book, as hired hands for the powerful Rockefeller machine. The Rockefeller faction has for more than a century based its power and influence on control of oil and on use of the military to secure that control. It is personified in the man who is since 2001 de facto President in terms of decision-making—Dick Cheney. Cheney was former CEO of Halliburton Corp., which is both the world’s largest oilfield services company (now based in Dubai for tax reasons), and the world’s largest military base constructor.
    The second faction might be called the Soft Power Faction. Their philosophy might be summed up that they think its “possible to kill more flies with honey than with vinegar.” Their preferred path to global population control and lowering of the growth rates in China and elsewhere is through promoting the fraud of global warming and imminent climate catastrophe. Al Gore is linked to this faction. So is British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. They see globalist institutions, especially the United Nations, as the best vehicle to advance their agenda of global austerity.
    F. William Engdahl is a Research Associate of the Center for Research on Globalization and author of the recently-released book, Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation (www.globalresearch.ca). He also author of ‘A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics,’ Pluto Press Ltd. He may be contacted at his website, http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net.

  14. Joyce Garcia says:

    @ MOCKINGBIRD…while demonizing corporations, you reap all the benefits! Internet, computers, I-Phone, your car, the food you buy and eat, the clothes in your closet, the bed you sleep in, your job…yes…even your unions…;o)

  15. Canthisbe says:

    Bear (and all Thumbs Down voters),

    Tea Partiers do not equal Republicans. Most Tea Partiers are not happy with the Republican establishment. Granted, they are less happy with the Democratic / socialist establishment. If you want to learn what Tea Partiers think, you have to listen to what Tea Partiers actually say. You cannot go by the left biased main stream / old news media and what it makes up.

    I’m not saying you have to agree with Tea Partiers, but before you badmouth them, you should at least figure out where they are at.

    If you read your lead in statements, you’ll see that you are much more like Tea Partiers than the Occupy (somewhere – fill in the blank) folks. I hate to say that because it lends credence to the “Tea Partiers are flakes” line. It’s when you get to your conclusions that you swing to sounding like a Democrat / socialist.

    “What the hell happened to personal responsibility for the consequences of your policies?” That’s a Tea Party type statement.

    WE WANT JOBS – and not minimum wage jobs. That’s a Tea Party type statement. (Most Tea Partiers have jobs – but they want jobs for the rest of Americans – especially the protestors.)

    “We want banks and corporations and financial companies to act in a legal manner that helps this country”. That’s a Tea Party type statement.

    “Unless voters ignore the ideological issues and vote in their own economic best interests, we have an unsolveable economic problem”. That’s a Tea Party type statement.

    “Interesting to note what republicans at the state level ARE doing. Abortion restrictions, voter registration restrictions, union busting, cutting budgets for schools and everything else,…” You keep mixing up “republicans” with “Tea Partiers”. Whether you are for or against abortion restrictions, etc. does not define a Tea Partier.

    “It is obscene that republicans (there you go again – mixing up Republicans and Tea Partiers!) hide behind religion and divisive ideological issues …” While a number of Tea Partiers are religious, that’s not what makes them a Tea Partier. Many are atheists, agnostics and deists or whatever they want to be. Religion is not a qualifying characteristic.

    “How do I support the “Occupy Santa Rosa” folks? Where do I send money?”

    Take all your money down to City Hall Saturday and hand it out to the protesters. They don’t know much – frequently even what they are protesting – , but they do know how to take a handout.

  16. Lets be Reasonable says:

    @Jim “The bottom 47% of the country pay NOTHING. NOTHING!” – Only if you are talking JUST about Federal Income Tax. If you consider all taxes, then the bottom half pays a higher percentage of their income than a lot of millionaires. If you look just at Fed Income and Payroll taxes, the top 10% pay about 50% of those taxes – a bit more than their 42% share of income. This doesn’t include all the other various taxes (sales, gas, state), which are often very regressive. And, to top it off, most of the folks who actually do not pay ANY Fed income OR payroll taxes are seniors living on Social Security.

  17. bats555 says:

    @social Dis-ease
    I agree with you, and you can add to the “Fascist Cabal” group. Rockefeller faction, Trilateral Commission,Rothschild faction and the Bilderberger group. Also the Bush family is part of the Rockefeller faction.

  18. Jim says:

    One last hilarious thing about this “movement”. Anti-corporation. The big bad corporations and wall street!!! Take them down.

    Hmmmm, they organize via Facebook (run by one of the richest men on Earth, and a BIG CORPORATION), they text on their iPhones (Apple is the 2nd largest CORPORATION on Earth), their texts travel over the cell networks of AT&T and Verizon (also BIG CORPORATIONS), they email (via Yahoo and Google…yep BIG CORPORATIONS). Bet they’re drinking Starbucks while protesting (oh wait, Starbucks is a CORPORATION!!!). They walk down there or drive? ALL car manufacturers are CORPORATIONS. They every fly anywhere? Airlines are CORPORATIONS.

    And you know what…I believe ALL of those CORPORATIONS are publicly traded on WALL STREET.

    Yeah, the big bad corporations should be taken down. But the media and the Sheeple are, yep you guessed it, too freaking stupid to understand this. Those people should be going to school, learning a skill, getting a job and trying to make something of themselves, not complaining about how the very BIG BAD CORPORATIONS they use multiple times a day should be shut down.

  19. Jim says:

    James Madison wrote…”Who loses? The middle class – paying 80% of the taxes for the government, getting no pay gains, and with costs for everything including education skyrocketing, they have to create their own retirement pensions only to have wall street bleed their accounts dry, they get no bailouts”

    Seems some facts are missing here. The bailouts were voted for by BOTH parties. Many bank were FORCED to take the TARP money even after they protested it.

    Um, the “middle class” pay 80% of the taxes?? What country are you referring to? Do some research on the breakdown of who actually pays taxes. The bottom 47% of the country pay NOTHING. NOTHING! Who are these “middle class” that pay 80% of the taxes that you are referring got Mr. Madison? 86% of the taxes are paid by the top 25% of earners. So are the top 25% “middle class”? 70% is paid by the top 10%, which is a threshold of $115,000.

    “Middle class” is a political word, that’s it. Someone making $100,000/year in California may be “middle class” but $100,000/year in Kansas gets you in the upper class. Yet, the Sheeple just accept the lying scum politicians when they spout off the fluffy rhetoric.

    This “movement” is an attack on capitalism. Period. They don’t like that private corporations do what is best for their shareholders. They don’t like that private corporations are free to decide to do and pay whatever they want. Freedom isn’t acceptable. Instead they think that an employer should pay wages that the business can’t support. The union jobs (e.g. government jobs) pay wages and benefits that aren’t sustainable. This is evident in the fact that cities, counties, states and the federal government are bankrupt. It is funny that when a corporation like Enron lies on their financial statements and goes bankrupt, the government makes new laws to strangle corporations (e.g. Sarbanes Oxley…look it up) but when governments lie on their financials (look up “unfunded pension liabilities”) it is perfectly acceptable.

    This movement has Communistic underpinnings and will cause massive changes to the US as we know it. Why do you think that it is heavily funded by Unions and Union heads are the people who speak at the “rallies”??

  20. Really Big Fish says:

    @James Madison.

    Thanks for extending on and clarifying my point. I agree about 99%.

    Yes there are absurdly high salaries and bonuses paid to corporate heads but capitalism is a numbers game and there are more and more customers to sell products. ANY business including local businesses would want a person who can sell 1000 more widegets that the last guy.If you sell those 1000 widgets and 10% as a bonuses the company and stock holders benefit. If they benefit the community benefits. Why are sports tickets so outrageous paying $100M for someone to play football? Why are Rock concerts so ridiciusly high simply to play music? Should we have a law to tell Apple it’s OK to spend $50M or more in R&D but you can only sell 5000,000 units not to nake more than $50M in profits.Why should one person, a corporation, such as a movie star be paid $20 M for a few months work.So and so.

    People who work for the government should work for a true value to taxpayers and citizens. Best quality service at the lowest competition costs. Currently it way out of balance because of corrupt politics. This situations despite the disgruntled public continues more openly than before.

    It’s the will of the people who can bring about positive change from conflict through thier elected politicans. The Occupy People need to in from of city hall and confronting the county supervisors, congressmen, senators and the governor. What you see is the liberal elected governance supporting this group because they are supporting it hoping to combat the effectiveness of the Tea Party.

    I fear that the”community organizing” is being sanctioned by the White House and paid for by undisclosed sponsors. Sponsors who would benefit from the proposed global chnage. Rememeber people like Soros are the greey captialists smart and wealthy enough to use an uneducated social class to bring about chnage through chaos. These activties are planned.

    How can Obama who has the lowest rating of any president, a long list of failed politicies, an apologist fro America’s greatnes, openly against banks and corporate greed receieve $70 M in campaign contributions in 3 months. It’s a shell game and you are correct that most of us are struggling to survive.

    James, it’s upside down and again sadly our education has failed our children and thus fail society. School districts and unions are now allowing unions on campus.

    Respectfully…

  21. Social Dis-Ease says:

    To James Madison: what a coincidence…
    Agenda 21 was formally signed by Bush Sr. at Rio Earth Summit in ’92, didn’t need Washington because it was ‘soft law’.
    It’s softly killing us.
    You described the deliberate decline orchestrated by the globalists that ARE Agenda 21.
    The biggest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind was pitched as a way to ‘stimulate’ the credit/housing market that was deliberatly crashed.
    Tried to get a loan lately?
    The name that much of the rest of the world has assigned to these globalists is ‘Fascist Cabal’.
    They have been and are behind ALL that is dark, inequitable in our world.
    Step one: get ICLEI out of our community.
    At least then we’re barking up the right tree.
    ‘Occupy’ City Council ’till they do.

  22. James Madison says:

    @Really Big Fish

    You and many other posters are right that corporations helped build America. However for the last 20 years they have become Global where they source cheap labor in China, sell their goods to an insatiable and indebted America, and funnel their profits through tax havens to avoid paying US corporate taxes. They are American in name only. The result is that average Americans have trouble finding work and pay in the private sector is stagnant. Meanwhile the corporate bosses are paying themselves 400 times the average worker versus the 20 times from 20 years ago.
    The government is quite happy with this since they are funded by these bosses and by the Public Employee unions who can’t be outsourced abroad and have feathered their nests nicely.
    Who loses? The middle class – paying 80% of the taxes for the government, getting no pay gains, and with costs for everything including education skyrocketing, they have to create their own retirement pensions only to have wall street bleed their accounts dry, they get no bailouts. It is the working middle class who are being squeezed and are angry, but are too busy scrambling to make a living to protest. So the protest is commandeered by the labor unions and freak fringe to raise a incoherent protest that will fall on deaf ears.
    Corporations are their own countries now; they don’t work for the benifit of the US or US workers, they work for the CEOs and Boards. The system is broken and the middle class has had enough and will eventually be heard.

  23. RICHARD says:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evide­nt, that all … are created equal … are endowed … with certain unalienabl­e Rights … among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. … to secure these rights, Government­s are instituted … deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed … when… Government becomes destructiv­e of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it …” – IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776”

  24. Really Big Fish says:

    The corporate business structure came to America from Europe with the settlers. When someone or group had a good idea to provide goods and services they started a partnership in the form of corporation.Each paty invested and received a share of the profits.It was these groups of people (businesses)that helped create and sponsor the American Revolution. The indivduals who helped create the Contential Congress were well familiar with the corporate structure. It created revenue and wealth for their groups and not the King. They could advance their quality of life and not the Kings. Revenues from the corporations were reinvested and reinvested. After the revolution the Contintential Congress was absolutely broke. We sold our last Navy (commandered commercial) vessel to lower the debt because it was thought including Jefferson that we didn’t need a Navy. All states were trading with other countries under thier own flags until 1789. For many years our ships were being hijacked and raided by pirates by none other than muslims from North Africa. The French and Bristish were battling it out for commerce and command of the seas. When we realized we needed to protect our commerce and citizens so liberty and free trade would prevail we built the USS Constitution to help take control of the seas. The point is that capitalionalism is the economic business mechanism that creates wealth, accumulates wealth and protects wealth. This a broad view of why freedom, free enterprize and free markets have made America great. Yes, we have to rid the system of politicain corruption that leads to power, greed and usury. Everyone in America, bar no one, benefits from capitialism and the military that defends it.

    It very sad, if not tragic, that our children are glueless about the Consitution and Bill of Rights.By following the myths of “social justice” they are destroying thier lives.

  25. MOCKINGBIRD says:

    Graeme-I think you would be surprised at how educated those protestors will be, unlike the Teapartiers for sure.

    Hal-they do indeed need to be in Washington protesting. But not because of the progressives who advocate for the people not corporations.

    John-good work. You said it true.

    Jim-Exchange Bank did get money. The first thing I saw were signs up advertising loans to businesses. Because Exhange Bank did what that TARP money intended, invested in the community. Maybe you didn’t know that?

    I will be there on Saturday along with my fellow union members, all pretty well educated and fighting for the rights of ALL WORKERS even if they don’t understand enough to fight for their own rights.

  26. Jim M says:

    I have a job, run a small business, and I am looking forward to taking part in the protest. It’s not about socialism, or getting more democrats into congress, it’s about working to fix a broken economy.

  27. Steve Humphrey says:

    @JIM

    I think you are asking a little too much of these folks to actually investigate the facts behind our issues. Maybe if you could put it all on a bumper sticker they would get it.

  28. Jim says:

    Why don’t these folks go protest against the enablers? None of these corporations would be in this position if the government acted as a referee instead of sanctioning and enabling this to happen.

    Our very own Lynn Woolsey voted for TARP.
    Clinton and 1999 Congress repealed Glass-Steagall.
    Hank Paulson coerced and undertook TARP and merging the banking industry.
    Fannie and Freddie (and now quietly the FHA) bought up the bulk of the subprime mortgages.
    Barnie Frank and Co. pushed regulations for mortgages to people whom would otherwise never qualify.
    The Federal Reserve recklessly creating money like there is no tommorow, including billions for countries like Libya… Libya!

    Was Wall St. drunk? You bet, but look at who poured the alcohol.

    You folks can go protest and poop on cop cars all you like, it won’t change until you start changing your votes at the ballot box.

  29. Levi says:

    @ GAJ

    Yes, the baby boomers have stolen everything but the real victims here are the gen Xers that have put into the system and will receive nothing.

    The hipster entitled youth protesting really has not contributed to society and have no reason the complain. Did they really think spending 150Gs on a liberals arts degree was a good idea? All they have done is helped elect crooked politicians into office (see obama)

  30. Levi says:

    @ River

    What a amazing comment you just made. It really shows the sense of entitlement of today’s youth that has done NOTHING for society. The future looks bleak with kids like River running around.

    Let me give you some advice kid.

    The only things people are entitled to in this country is – Life , Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Nothing else.

    If you want something , go out and EARN IT!

  31. GAJ says:

    RiverRebel you are exactly right; it’s a “generational theft” thing, but the protestors haven’t figured it out yet.

    Everywhere the Baby Boomers have had their hands on the controls, (be it Corporations, Federal, State or Local government), it is all about lavishing riches on themselves even if that means a lack of sacrifice and kicking the can down the road for the next generations to take care of.

    The amount of debt we’re handing off to them, as well as “deferred maintenance” (think crumbling infrastructure), and unfunded liabilities (think obscene pensions for the top tiers as well as such fiascos as the SMART train here locally) is appalling.

    That’s what they should be protesting.

  32. Anderson says:

    Losers, whiners, weirdos and people who want something for nothing. As if they are entitled or the world “owes them something.”

    As the joke goes, the hippies had a guy arrested for carrying 3 illegal substances: soap, shampoo and deodorant.

  33. RiverRebel says:

    This is what happens when you crap on our youth and leave them to their own with nothing.

  34. Greg Dunlap says:

    Worst part of this “group” is that they go about breaking the law, interrupting business and commerce, and they are supported and cheered on by all the brainless Democrats on the planet. Obama, Biden, Nazi Pelosi, the whole bunch of them.

    Yet if the TEA Party did what they (the “Occupy this and thats”), these same Democrats would be crying for the police to come in with guns blazing. Bunch of hyprocrites if you ask me.

  35. Commonsense says:

    I always enjoy and support people getting involved in government/politics or their communities in general. It’s great to see, no matter if you agree with their position or not (which is why I think the tea party was also a good thing). But in speaking with some of the people who are planning on attending, I must say it looks like a mixed bag of messages and thoughts, and there is a little lacking of facts. The major theme appears to me to be “corporate greed”. I must admit I actually didn’t know how much many of the targeted busineses pay in taxes, fees, etc. I haven’t seen their balance sheets and I always assumed (shouldn’t have) that others knew something I didn’t. But, as it turns out, most I’ve spoken to don’t either. They too are either repeating something they saw or heard or that someone is telling them, without any verification. After doing a little research on my own, it appears that most of these corporations are paying taxes and on many different levels. So, while I support and appreciate their activities in general, I do wish they were all a little more well rounded regarding facts and the big picture. If the beef is just about management level compensation, again I think that one must do a little research and look at the big picture. Businesses pay salary based on a number of factors and like Ricardo stated, if you don’t like something about the company or the papy it provides management, then don’t buy their product or use their service. Corporations aren’t evil, but they are easy targets, and non of the people I’ve spoken to are taking into consideration the idea of competition. We’ve lost manufacturing jobs due to overseas competition, and that’s just what it is competition. It’s not evil, or socially unjust for other countries to compete for jobs with us, but we will have to compete and nothing in life is free, except the love of your family.

  36. Really Big Fish says:

    At last we will see a large assembly of the recent high schools drop outs and those who never made it past highschool.No education but don’t where the party is. Mixed in the crowd will be the “social justice” people from other countries who believe because they exist they deserve your money and quality life. Of course the loud mouths” I hate America becuse it’s unfair to me” will be leading the pack recruiting as they go. Most interesting will the haphazard intellectual SSU professors screaming against the same corporate structure that gave them a job, paid for their education, provides money to house and feed their family, pays for their smart phones, provides them a car and so on. What inbelieveable hyprocrites!!

    Here we see Obama people.Boycott any business that supports these morons. Look for me I’ll be wearing a tie shirt and a diamond earring circa 1970.

  37. John says:

    @ Ricardo – “Ever work for a poor person, or a homeless person? Doubt it… they don’t pay very well and there’s no job security.”

    Apparently the Corporations are not paying very well or providing job security in this economy either. They are taking advantage of the large unemployment numbers as a hammer to get more out of their people for less money. More bonuses for them.

    I’m not pushing any tax increases on these people (unless they aren’t currently paying their share by keeping tax breaks). I’m pushing the fact that they are in control of this economy and by holding their money (not investing in the workforce) they are directly responsible for keeping us in the economic doldrums.

  38. Graeme Wellington says:

    Do these long-term protesters not have bills, mortgages or rent to pay? Not have employers who might wonder where they are? Do they not have families to take care of? Do they have no responsibilities or taxes to pay that maintain roads, provide welfare and public education?

    We’re seeing this on Wall Street and in other cities now it’s coming here. It’s the usual alliance of students, dropouts (euphemism for parasite), professional protesters and union types who are paid to stand around looking as if they need a job standing around.

    There’s nothing crass or vulgar about telling someone to get a job. If they are incapable of working a civilized society will take care of them. But if you look at the mob on Wall Street you’ll se a disproportionately middle-class, white, able-bodied section of society. It’s the ethnic and the less educated who seem to be the ones rushing off to work – often low paid work and who couldn’t find the time to protest even if they wanted to.

    A lot of people have the Wall Street nonsense completely wrong. It’s not about politics it’s about sociology. It’s not connected to the civil rights marches of the 1960s or even the anti-war gatherings in Vietnam. It’s melodrama or an episode of Oprah. It’s a happening. Something to be part of. Something to give meaning and communal significance to otherwise empty and dusty lives.

    We used to ask “What did you do in the War?” when Nazi psychopaths and Japanese fascists could take over the world. Now we sit in over-priced coffee shops and share anecdotes about what the police did to us during the latest riot or protest.

    There are a lot of stories about people going to Wall Street hoping to find a cause. I call it “Shopping with politics.” I can’t imagine a Syrian demonstrator running between Assad’s bullets asking himself if it’s environmental decay or animal liberation that pushes his buttons.

    Worst of all are the pretentious labor leaders and Democratic politicians who know it’s all garbage but they can cash in on the whole thing and tell us that this is really, really important.

    If I hear one more person begin a defense of the occupation with “What you have to understand” I’ll turn it into a drinking song.

    Actually comrades what you have to understand that this is a bourgeois conceit. A mere souffle and it will disappear with just a little breath of clean fresh wind.

  39. Kay Tokerud says:

    @Richard The ‘Occupiers’ should be protesting the government for their grievances but they’re not. They’re protesting private corporations that have been enabled by our elected politicians. We have a process of engaging our government at all levels, they must, by law, listen to the people. The banks have no such requirements to do anything. Unless the private corporations are prosecuted for crimes, then there’s nothing the people can do about what they do.

    The progressives who are obviously controlling the Occupy Wall Street rallies are creating a diversion away from the real culprits sitting in office that make all the rules and laws. It’s a publicity stunt to push their socialist agenda. To attack private businesses and homeowners is absurd. These socialists, want the government to control everything. They are opposed to private property ownership so they’re making those that own stuff the bad guys.

    If they want to do any good, they should use the system we still have to address their grievances at City Hall. Occupy City Hall!

  40. sheryl says:

    LOL! Complaining about coporate greed, while they text on their iphone, wearing the latest and greatest shoes, clothing and what not. Too funny.

  41. Social Dis-Ease says:

    To John: they’re not teaching the same curriculum in school these days. No Constitution, Bill of Rights founding father history. It’s Agenda 21 ‘global citizen’ green Gaia as a religion crap.
    The Diliberate Dumbing Down of America.

  42. Social Dis-Ease says:

    Occupy movement. Socially engineered faux resistance.
    Installed, imposed polarity.
    Socialist indoctrination.
    Distraction.
    Look who’s involved.
    North Bay Labor Council.
    Lisa Maldonado (same thing).
    Accountable Development Coalition.
    Like the Bicycle Coalition many members don’t even know they are willing foot soldiers working towards Agenda 21 objectives.
    Here’s a quote from Lisa Maldonado’s Twitter page;”Just your average labor boss, working for the revolution, all about the class struggle and WAITING FOR THE GREAT LEAP FORWARD”. Sounds like Mao to me.

  43. john Lennon says:

    All these people are too afraid to vote for Ron Paul because he doesnt have the letter D behind his name. Yet they will vote for corrupt democrats that are bailing out these corporations and bowing to Union greed

    Lemmings.

    I agree with Tom. Occupy Santa Rosa ( the most liberal city in the US)??? These people just want to party.

  44. Money Grubber says:

    Kirstin,

    The protestors have a right of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I don’t think you even understand that.

    They can express themselves without violating laws even though their expressions, their goals, their appearance happens to offend you.

  45. Josh Stevens says:

    These people are a bit late to the party.

    This “Occupy Idiotville” stuff is already fizzing out,as those involved start drifting towards going home and getting showers and pooping into a toilet rather than on a police car(I saw the video).

    There’s nothing particularly intimidating or even vogue about these malcontents and what they’re doing.They’re frankly boring,and not very imaginative.

    I actually feel kinda sorry for these people.

  46. Jim says:

    @John

    If I am not mistaken, Exchange Bank went hat in hand to Uncle Same and accepted a bailout for 43M. Some interesting reading:
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081223/BUSINESSJOURNAL/812230274
    http://bit.ly/pOXCMC

    I wonder if the protesters will head on over there.

  47. PROTEST OBAMA-HOLDER says:

    Remember the “war protests” when Bush was president,now that we have a liberal president “war is good”…..so this crazy Marxist has brought out the ol’ hate brigade.I believe they are refered to as useful idiots? Step away from the well and drop the poison.

  48. Suzanne LaMont says:

    I think in the 1930′s a German leader and his political party convinced the “people” to take the money from the rich greeedy Jewish business people….
    I don’t think most Americans are ready to go down this road….however the party in power will stoop to any level to create a diversion.I have lost all respect for them……

  49. John says:

    @ Richard’s post – ‘Thumbs Down’ votes on the bill of rights just shows the contempt that anti-worker commenters on this site hold for the founding principles of this country. It’s just sick!

    What happened to patriotism?

    Government is a mess but is not the current problem or solution. People need work. Period!

  50. Ricardo Sorentino says:

    I guess we can pick and choose what we think is fair vs. unfair compensation. We can complain about corporate greed, the very same people who actually provide us jobs and a means to make a living. Ever work for a poor person, or a homeless person? Doubt it… they don’t pay very well and there’s no job security.

    But, we can support sports athletes, with their multi-million dollar salaries, which is passed on to the rest of us by-way of higher ticket prices and higher costs of the products they promote. Since it’s not ‘cooperate greed’, that’s okay, I guess.

    http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/list/201110/nbas-biggest-lockout-victims

    I’m no fan of Bank of America, but if they have an income source reduced by the government, why should I get upset when they raise fees somewhere else? No one makes you stay at any given bank. If your favorite gas station raised their prices by .50 a gallon more than anyone else, would you still buy your gasoline there? Maybe, maybe not… it’s your choice.

    A few years ago, some airlines started charging outrageous carry-on and checked baggage fees. Did these same ‘occupy’ people march on the airports? Where was the outrage then?

    If the 1%’ers were really smart, they’d start closing a few business, do massive layoffs, and then let the ‘occupiers’ decide who really needs who more. A lot of people complaining are the same ones on one type of dole or another, and just where did THAT money come from?

    This is America, and it’s up to each individual to make it what they want it to be. I’m not a millionaire, as most people aren’t, but no one but myself stopped me from being one.

    It’s far easier to blame someone else then take responsibility for my own lack of ambition and motivation. ‘Occupiers’ should take a good look in the mirror and direct their outrage at that person.

  51. Reality Check says:

    “We’re fighting the global corporate takeover of our everyday lives . . . ”

    Really? Someone forced you to buy all the
    iPhones protesters will be using?

    While I feel their pain, it’s so misdirected its hard not to laugh. Presumably, they’re poorer because someone else is rich. If only we divvied up things equally, then all will be oaky-doakey.

    Worse than a wasted effort, it misdirects energy away from solving the problem.

  52. TOm says:

    LOL, who are they going to protest? Not many corporations, let alone businesses out here

    The only “evil” corporate entity that is ripping people off out here is our government employees and unions.Maybe they should protest themselves for voting in the same scumbags every year.

    Further proof the people have no clue and are just out to party

  53. RICHARD says:

    “… make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. – Bill of Rights

  54. Chris Snyder says:

    There is extreme and well placed anger at the banks and financial system being bailed out…by the Republican Bush Administration and the Democratic run Congress. Meanwhile the Average Joe has suffered unbelievably in the last few years while the bailed out bankers on Wall Street don’t miss a beat in giving themselves multi-million dollar bonuses.
    And why does everyone seem to like banging on the unions on this site anyway? The American Labor Movement brought an end to child labor laws, brought us the 40 hour week, overtime, minimum wage laws, the weekend, safe working environments (ie OSHA,MSHA), fought for the Family Medical Leave Act and really does try its best to look out for working families. Unions are a positive force in American society.

  55. John says:

    A good way to protest the big banks is don’t use them. Go to your local bank and keep your retirement and savings accounts with them. Exchange Bank is one of the locals.

  56. John+ says:

    @ Hal- I believe Deregulation (the cause of runaway banking) began under Reagans presidency.

    @ Money Grubber & Jim – Since when are $100k salaries the top 1% as referenced in this article. They are not even close! Nice try to link your union arguements with the ‘Occupants’ movement. Two very different things friend.

    The Corporations MUST invest and create jobs to get this economy going again. As long as they HOLD their interest free loans (given by the government to stimulate the economy) Jobs will NOT be created. The core arguement of this group is just that. Let go of the strangle hold on the money and create jobs. It’s very difficult to watch corporations award massive salaries and bonuses to CEO’s (the top 1%) when THEY are making the decision to PROFIT at the expense of the economy!

    People can’t spend money they don’t have! Until corporations create jobs and LET people earn money there will be no economic growth. It starts with them. (Aside from the Government spending tax money on infrastructure projects)

    Get it yet? No Jobs = No Money! No Money = No Consumer Spending. No C.S. = NO ECONOMIC GROWTH! NO ECONOMIC GROWTH!

    So this is about CEO’s salaries being reduced to a less ridiculous amount and creation of JOBS!

  57. Phil Maher says:

    Oh yay! Another pointless rally to support illegal-immigrants and unions. Sorry, but this one is hijacked before it ever leaves the ground. Utterly ignorant, confused and delusional Marxists subverting the American Dream that once entailed higher aspirations with a false understanding of what’s really wrong with society, excuses for their own failure to reach their potential, a good healthy dose of envy, and of course, the never ending quest for something for nothing.

  58. Hal says:

    Are these collectivists living in the 1960′s or 2011? They need to be protesting Congress. That is where all of the bad home loans began with the democrats and liberals who demanded that everyone have a home whether they could pay for it or not.

    Street theater is old stuff and boring to those of us who lived through it during the 60′s.

    There is no free lunch and no free education. I earned my money and put my kids through college the hard way. I earned every penney of it.

    Free loading, anti-capitalists will not change this society although they are trying all of the time.

    It is too bad there is not a draft. It would scare most of them to Canada where they would find a more conductive environment for their fringe ideas.

    Hopefully they won’t give up the struggle in the streets. It will assure a conservative is elected president in 2012. Keep up the good work boys and girls.

  59. Bear says:

    So are 3-year olds eligible to run for president?

    I ask only beause republicans/tea partiers/conservatives seem incapable of remembering anything beyond 3 years ago. So if they have no memories older than 3 years, they can’t run?

    What the hell happened to personal responsibility for the consequences of your policies? Troops around the world want to know. Wounded soldiers want to know. Dead Iraqis and Afghanis would ask if they were still breathing. Unemployed Americans want to know.

    But some republicans say “if you’re unemployed it’s YOUR fault?” Shameless.

    Interesting to note what republicans at the state level ARE doing. Abortion restrictions, voter registration restrictions, union busting, cutting budgets for schools and everything else, without a thought for raising taxes on their priveleged supporters.

    It is obscene that republicans hide behind religion and divisive ideological issues, yet ignore the best interests of most Americans.

    WE WANT JOBS – and not minimum wage jobs. We want banks and corporations and financial companies to act in a legal manner that helps this country. Are there ANY patriotic corporations left outside the very profitable defense industry?

    We certainly don’t want a tax holiday to repatriate trillions in offshore profits at 15% tax rates, nor do we want profits and jobs in the US to be offshored to evade taxes and raise corprorate profits.

    Unless voters ignore the ideological issues and vote in their own economic best interests, we have an unsolveable economic problem.

    How do I support the “Occupy Santa Rosa” folks? Where do I send money?

  60. RAW says:

    Sonoma county is a bit behind the curve. They better get it in gear and go lay down in an intersection or avoid bathing for a week. When the gov’t decides to pay them all thousands of dollars, you don’t want to miss out.

    If they think they will change anything, I think they will be sadly disappointed. I suppose it could work. Stay long enough and the gov’t might decide to get out of Iraq, end world hunger, jail the bankers, fix the economy, give everyonoe a job, give everyone free money, free college tuition, close GitMo, get out of the middle east, go all solar, jail Bush, take all the millionaire’s money, vote out all conservatives, vote out all democrats, abolish the gov’t and hand out more free cheese. Sure, their message is very clear. I’d vote for that.

  61. Greg Karraker says:

    The rally will “create the space where we can talk about solutions,” he said.

    The ironies get no better. A protest meeting where the protesters will attempt to figure out what it is they’re protesting. Should make for excellent comedy.

    In a way, these people remind me of Marlon Brando in The Wild One, when a local sheriff asked him, “What are you rebelling against?” Brando’s answer, “Whattya got?”

    There is one significant difference: Brando was cool.

  62. Graeme Wellington says:

    I’d love to see the Press Democrat interview protesters like this:

    What is your level of education? What job skills do you have? Where have you applied to work? How much effort have you put into looking for a job? Do you receive any public assistance now? Do you pay any taxes now? What have you already tried to improve your job skills? Is anyone paying you to come out and protest? What would you like to see happen as a result of this protest? What is you goal here protesting? What has to happen to end this protest? Are you willing to be arrested? Do you think you are breaking any laws? Why couldn’t a legitimate protest be staged in compliance with the law? What is fair about rich people giving you their money? If you can do nothing and have rich people pay for your life, why would anyone work? Do you believe in penalizing success? Do you believe in rewarding failure?

    Of course that will never happen. The standard platitudes will be quoted in the Press Democrat as usual.

  63. Skippy says:

    Welcome the mob to Santa Rosa!
    The perpetually resentful will make their voices heard, despite the incoherence of their message.
    Too bad I work this weekend. I would enjoy ridiculing the passing freakshow.
    I wonder how many college grads with degrees in Gender Studies or Queer Theory will be marching?
    Their anger would be more properly placed at the feet of the faux professors whose classes they took.
    A worthless degree in a joke discipline with a nonexistent job outlook is its own bitter reward.
    How’s it taste, Mr Fawkes?

  64. Jim says:

    “We’re fighting the global corporate takeover of our everyday lives,” Rachel Mutterperl of Santa Rosa said Tuesday at a planning session for the event to be held in front of Santa Rosa City Hall.”

    What is she talking about? The GOVERNMENT is who is taking over our lives. They spend endlessly, they tax endlessly and the keep expanding. They implement restrictions on business that stifle job creation.

    Hey Ms. Mutterperl…who was the largest private donor of Obama’s Presidential run? GOLDMAN SACHS! But the banks are bad, right.

    “Starting at 2 p.m. Saturday, the event will include speeches by Lisa Maldonado, North Bay Labor Council executive director; Ben Boyce, labor activist and coordinator of the Accountable Development Coalition; Carl Patrick, immigrant rights activist; Alicia Sanchez, labor and immigrants rights activist; Davin Cardenas of the North Bay Organizing Project, a social justice advocacy group; and Sonoma State University political scientist Cynthia Boaz, an expert in nonviolent struggle”

    So the vast majority of those planned to speak are union leaders and pro-invasion types. Hmmmm, this appears to be very similar to a Communist uprising, like what happened in Russia.

    These people are oblivious and the media loves them. A great distraction from the disaster referred to as the government.

  65. Money Grubber says:

    The protestors don’t understand a lot of how finance operates, but they do know correctly that the system is broken.

    All they have to do to understand that is to look at their minimum wage pay check for working hard the last two weeks and compare that to the $100,000 annual public pensions being handed out to cops and firemen who hit age 50.

    The government has rigged the system to empower itself and to enrich itself while private sector workers struggle to simply pay basic bills such as a car payment and rent.

    Its hard to survive on minimum wage when your check has deductions to support a bloated government pension system.

  66. Kirstin says:

    Guy Kovner, what does the Santa Rosa police have to say about this?

    I expect the police to enforce any and all applicale laws.